0w30 has esters while the new formula of 5w30 does not. Probably the 0w30 would clean better due to the esters.Main differences between 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP ? Is one better at cleaning , use of esters , etc. ?
Interesting , plus the 5W30 ESP is SP rated while the 0W30 ESP is designed to meet . I now see WM stores carry both the 0W30 ESP and the 5W30 ESP but not both at the same store . I don’t live in a climate where a 0W oil is required as a 5W oil is fine (PNW) . How ever , if both are the same price - I want the better oil chemistry for engine cleaning , less deposits and wear .0w30 has esters while the new formula of 5w30 does not. Probably the 0w30 would clean better due to the esters.
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The ESP 5w30 is SP rated because it has below the maximum of Zinc and Phosphorus. The 0w30 would pass all the test but the amount of Zinc and Phosphorus is above the limit as it was designed for manufacturer specs not API specs first.Interesting , plus the 5W30 ESP is SP rated while the 0W30 ESP is designed to meet . I now see WM stores carry both the 0W30 ESP and the 5W30 ESP but not both at the same store . I don’t live in a climate where a 0W oil is required as a 5W oil is fine (PNW) . How ever , if both are the same price - I want the better oil chemistry for engine cleaning , less deposits and wear .
Any negatives for 0W30 ESP having more Zinc and Phosphorus added versus 5W30 ESP ?The ESP 5w30 is SP rated because it has below the maximum of Zinc and Phosphorus. The 0w30 would pass all the test but the amount of Zinc and Phosphorus is above the limit as it was designed for manufacturer specs not API specs first.
Unless you’re burning an extremely high amount of oil it wouldn’t be an issue. At excessive burn rates it could damage the catalytic converterAny negatives for 0W30 ESP having more Zinc and Phosphorus added versus 5W30 ESP ?
My store (Dickson, TN) shows to have both in stock currently.Interesting , plus the 5W30 ESP is SP rated while the 0W30 ESP is designed to meet . I now see WM stores carry both the 0W30 ESP and the 5W30 ESP but not both at the same store . I don’t live in a climate where a 0W oil is required as a 5W oil is fine (PNW) . How ever , if both are the same price - I want the better oil chemistry for engine cleaning , less deposits and wear .
You might take a look at the SDS of the current 5W-30 ESP versus the 0W-30 ESP!One near by WM has the 5W30 ESP while WM a few miles away carries the 0W30 ESP (current ‘17 2.4L GDI Sonata fill)… Next oil change I will try 5W30 ESP which may be better for the Sonata 2.4L GDI engine .
in a GDI engine the 0W30 ESP has been a good performer and could possibly keep internals a bit cleaner - however I will try the 5W30 ESP for my upcoming warm weather oil fill to compare both (which I run for up to a 4K mile OCI) .0w30 has esters while the new formula of 5w30 does not. Probably the 0w30 would clean better due to the esters.
Hope that answered your question
Good comments ! … 0W30 ESP may have slightly better cleaning ability while the 5W30 ESP may produce less intake valve deposits (important for GDI) . Then again , Euro specs may cloud the issue a bit as both oils should be top performers … So , what exactly are the pro’s & con’s to both oils ?I'll be curious to see if the ESP 0w30 ends up looking more like the 5w30. Kind of interesting to see what oils Mobil is using ester (per oxidation value) in and what oils they're using something else. Kind of odd the 5w30 and 0w30 are different IMO. Wonder what the reason is.......ah the complexity of Euro specifications![]()
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in a GDI engine the 0W30 ESP has been a good performer and could possibly keep internals a bit cleaner - however I will try the 5W30 ESP for my upcoming warm weather oil fill to compare both (which I run for up to a 4K mile OCI) .
My oil is black by about 3,500 to 4,000 miles / 6 month OCI (Hyundai 2.4L GDI) so I try to protect the timing chain from soot issues (abrasive) as well as keep engine internals clean and help reduce oil burning hopefully. If both the the 0W30 ESP & 5W30 behave about the same - I’ll focus on which one refuced oil burning (about 1 to 1.5 qrt. make up oil over the OCI) . If no difference in oil burning between the two ESP oils then I’ll move to VR&P 5W30 for a few OCI’s .I have a feeling the differences are minor or insignificant given your short OCIs and the lifespan of a car ... but I have been wrong before!
I see both ESPs at the store now with the same price ($2 cheaper than M1 EP I'm using) but I'm not buying any oil for a year or so unless there is a good sale. Lol
Past standards, approvals, etc. written on the jug, the only way I compare oil is which one burns less in my engine.
Curious about your plan of attack to compare!
Definitely keep us updated on if the ESP improves the consumption. I'm considering this after running several OCI of VRP.My oil is black by about 3,500 to 4,000 miles / 6 month OCI (Hyundai 2.4L GDI) so I try to protect the timing chain from soot issues (abrasive) as well as keep engine internals clean and help reduce oil burning hopefully. If both the the 0W30 ESP & 5W30 behave about the same - I’ll focus on which one refuced oil burning (about 1 to 1.5 qrt. make up oil over the OCI) . If no difference in oil burning between the two ESP oils then I’ll move to VR&P 5W30 for a few OCI’s .
It's unknown as the 5w30 could be using AN's in place of esters.Main differences between 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP ? Is one better at cleaning , use of esters , etc. ?
How do ANs compare in terms of their ability to keep things clean inside the engine?It's unknown as the 5w30 could be using AN's in place of esters.
https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/products/synthetic-base-stocks/alkylated-naphthalene
iirc @OVERKILL had posted some material from XOM dated in the late 2000's or early 2010's. Besides not all esters "clean".How do ANs compare in terms of their ability to keep things clean inside the engine?
A member here mentioned that the cleaning is built into the add pack, not AN. LinkIt's unknown as the 5w30 could be using AN's in place of esters.
https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/products/synthetic-base-stocks/alkylated-naphthalene