Mobil 1 Classic 10w30 (High-Zinc Formula)

What's sad about keeping older vehicles on the road? Far more energy and resources go into building new cars in general than what goes into keeping a good running older vehicle on the road. Keeping what's already built in useable condition is far more "green" than building/buying a new car.
No, you misinterpreted my post. If you've read any of my previous posts, you'd see that's not what I meant.
To clarify it for you further, I find it sad that we're allocating so much time and resources to EV's, when most folks would rather keep an old car running well (myself included).
 
No, you misinterpreted my post. If you've read any of my previous posts, you'd see that's not what I meant.
To clarify it for you further, I find it sad that we're allocating so much time and resources to EV's, when most folks would rather keep an old car running well (myself included).
Ok yeah I didn't read that in your post at all. Glad we're on the same page. I honestly don't think I've ever seen any of your other post.
 
I happened to be in the US recently (Chrysler Nationals at Carlisle) and driving back to the great white north, I wanted to bring some Mobil-1 classic with me. I stopped at a Napa and Autozone, they did not have it. One of them pointed me to Walmart. I stopped at a Walmart, they did not have it, but they did have Valvoline VR1 so I bought 3 jugs of that (because I don't think availability in canada is all that great).

So I'm wondering who is retailing Mobil-1 Classic in the US, and are they really doing the bone-head thing of selling it only in single-quart bottles?

From what we know about Mobil-1 Classic, how exactly does it compare to VR1?
 
I happened to be in the US recently (Chrysler Nationals at Carlisle) and driving back to the great white north, I wanted to bring some Mobil-1 classic with me. I stopped at a Napa and Autozone, they did not have it. One of them pointed me to Walmart. I stopped at a Walmart, they did not have it, but they did have Valvoline VR1 so I bought 3 jugs of that (because I don't think availability in canada is all that great).

So I'm wondering who is retailing Mobil-1 Classic in the US, and are they really doing the bone-head thing of selling it only in single-quart bottles?

From what we know about Mobil-1 Classic, how exactly does it compare to VR1?
My local Advance Auto Parts stores carry Mobil 1 Classic.
 
For anyone who believes that, I have a bridge in Crimea for sale.
There are a lot of published studies that found that dispersants can compromise antiwear films. Use a search phrase such as: effect of dispersants on antiwear
How much does that bridge cost, by the way? :-)

Below are some studies.
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._and_a_Secondary_Zinc_Dialkyl_Dithiophosphate
Recent years have seen an increase in the concentration of dispersant present in formulated engine oils, while the concentration of antiwear additives has been progressively reduced. However, it is known that the presence of dispersant can, in some cases, detract from the performance of antiwear additives in lubricant blends. In this article, the influence of three succinimide dispersants on the film formation and wear-reducing properties of a secondary zinc dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP) has been studied. Both posttreated and non-post-treated dispersants reduce steady-state ZDDP tribofilm formation to a certain extent depending on the dispersant concentration. At very high dispersant concentrations, ZDDP film formation is suppressed almost entirely. This can be restored only marginally by increasing ZDDP concentration, which implies that the absolute dispersant concentration rather than the dispersant : ZDDP ratio controls the impact of the dispersant on ZDDP film formation.Addition of dispersant to ZDDP also caused an increase in wear rate for all three dispersants tested. For one succinimide reported in detail in this article, it is has been shown that the wear rate increases approximately linearly with dispersant concentration and is largely independent of ZDDP concentration over the P weight percentage range studied.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_Tribofilm_Composition_and_Boundary_Friction
• Increased dispersant treat rate is observed to restricts ZDDP anti-wear film formation.
• When IFM is used as the sole friction modifier low friction behaviour for both high and low dispersant treat rates are observed.
• The results indicate that dispersant treat rate can regulate the competition of OFM and ZDDP anti-wear additives.
- When OFM was combined with a high dispersant treat rate very little anti-wear film was generated and low friction behaviour was observed.
- When OFM was used with a low dispersant treat rate an anti-wear film formed and the OFM did not reduce friction.
• It was observed when OFM and IFM were used together at high temperature friction increased for the high dispersant treat rate and showed low friction behaviour with low dispersant treat rate.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11122858/
The identification of tribofilm wear mechanisms is further perplexed by antagonistic effects between additives and dispersants. Under certain conditions, the effectiveness of an additive could be reduced in the presence of a dispersant [31,32,33]. Dispersants are used to sustain the stability and cleanness of oil blends by inhibiting the agglomeration of wear debris [34], or nanoparticles used as lubricant additives [35]. For instance, different chemical interactions and tribological characteristics were found when detergents and dispersants were incorporated in a base oil that contained ZDDP [24,36,37,38]. Succinimides represent a common class of dispersants, whether simultaneously used with additives or alone in fully formulated lubricants [24,34,35,39]. These dispersants undergo adsorption on steel surfaces, forming nanometer-thick boundary films. Nevertheless, high dispersant concentration levels may suppress tribofilm formation [40], or the dispersant might become ineffective in reducing wear when the tribofilm is highly degraded because it could be entirely consumed in dispersing the wear debris [41]. However, while incorporating a succinimide dispersant in base oil can effectively disperse the wear debris, it cannot provide significant wear protection in the absence of an antiwear additive [34]. Chemical interactions between ZDDP and different nitrogenous dispersants have been reported to produce different friction behaviors, illuminating varying levels of competitive effects of these additives on friction characteristics [38]. Indisputably, understanding these antagonistic effects between additives and dispersants is critical for developing lubricant formulations that provide a balance between tribofilm antiwear properties and lubricant stability and cleanness
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There are a lot of published studies that found that dispersants can compromise antiwear films. Use a search phrase such as: effect of dispersants on antiwear
How much does that bridge cost, by the way? :-)

Below are some studies.
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._and_a_Secondary_Zinc_Dialkyl_Dithiophosphate

https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_Tribofilm_Composition_and_Boundary_Friction

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11122858/

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I mean, this was basically the philosophy with Redline, because they went balls on the detergent/dispersant chemistry, they did the same on the AW chemistry to balance it out. Of course the AW chemistry competition with the liberal use of esters is also a factor, so you have a bit of a double whammy going on there.

This again points to the logic behind Rudnick's Tri-Syn formula, balance the solvency combo with AN/Ester so that it isn't super polar, so you have good solvency but not strong surface competition, and base the rest of it with PAO for the oxidation resistance and cold temp performance. If you don't go gangbusters on the detergent/dispersant package (which you don't need to due to the quality of the bases), your AW and FM package is more effective.
 
I think this oil is a chance for M1 to sell oil based on nostalgia and misinformation about ZDDP because "ever car guy knows" you need high zinc in a flat tappet. :rolleyes:

You know that saying about fishing lures being designed to catch fishermen more than fish? Seems to apply here.
 
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I think this oil is a chance for M1 to sell oil based on nostalgia and misinformation about ZDDP because "ever car guy knows" you need high zinc in a flat tappet. :rolleyes:

You know that saying about fishing lures being designed to catch fishermen more than fish? Seems to apply here.
By this I mean to say: there's nothing this M1 "high zinc" oil does that a newer Euro mid-to-full SAPS oil doesn't also do and probably do better. I'm guessing this is loads of cheap group 3, a bit of zinc peppered in, and a good bit of profit margin because it needs no testing and has no standards to comply with.

There's nothing I'd run this oil in that I wouldn't prefer running either a 502/505 40 grade or any black bottle synthetic VR1.
 
This oil’s overall performance is almost certainly unknown to us, so judgements about that are not informed. Everyone is entitled to an opinion about it. The downside of posted uninformed opinions comes when less knowledgeable people read them and consider them to be facts.

Lake Speed and HPL tested this oil, as shown here: Link. Testing indicated that it contains alkylated naphthalene, like M1 EP and Truck and SUV do. KRL test indicated the oil is very shear stable, as expected, given the relatively low VI in the low 140s. Pre and post-test viscosities were 11.16 and 10.96 cSt. He also did a VOA. As cool as those things are to know, that data and the PDS data tell us nothing or little about its performance in most of the oil performance categories. Letting more data come in and keeping an open mind in the meantime is the wisest approach.
 
This oil’s overall performance is almost certainly unknown to us, so judgements about that are not informed. Everyone is entitled to an opinion about it. The downside of posted uninformed opinions comes when less knowledgeable people read them and consider them to be facts.

Lake Speed and HPL tested this oil, as shown here: Link. Testing indicated that it contains alkylated naphthalene, like M1 EP and Truck and SUV do. KRL test indicated the oil is very shear stable, as expected, given the relatively low VI in the low 140s. Pre and post-test viscosities were 11.16 and 10.96 cSt. He also did a VOA. As cool as those things are to know, that data and the PDS data tell us nothing or little about its performance in most of the oil performance categories. Letting more data come in and keeping an open mind in the meantime is the wisest approach.
With the shear stability in mind, seems like this might be a good OPE oil in addition to being a robust lube for flat tappet camshaft engines.
 
For the price they want for this oil, I would rather buy the Amsoil Z-Rod. I think the Z-Rod is only one or two dollars more.
 
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