Mobil 1 5W30 two grades??

[MikeyG]

I just had an emergency oil change, I thought coolant was leaking into the oil. My dipstick was showing anywhere from 500ml to 1L over full, and there was increasing oil residue in my overflow resevoir. I had the oil changed at a Precision Auto in Ottawa/Orleans. Super nice people. I asked for Mobil 1 5W30 synthetic. I made a comment that I have just wasted $12.00/L on my Redline. Only 2000 kms. since last oil change. Then he tells me the Mobil was $14.00/L??? I comment that Canadian Tire sells it for $8.50/L. He said there are different grades of oil sold to the "box" stores vs. auto supply stores. Apparently there is an article about it in a mag. called SSGM. I have been unable to locate the article online. I would appreciate any input. I resigned the fact I probable got
smoked.. oh well.

 

[AndyH]

Actually three different Mobil 1 5w30's sold here...

1) Mobil 1 5w30
2) Mobil 1 Extended Performance (EP) 5w30
3) Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w30

Mobil has more information on all three on their web site.

 

[GMorg]

If you dig through Mobil's posted MSDS files, you can also find separate sheets for Mobil 1 5w30 factory fill versions for GM and Chrysler. Anyone know if the factory fill versions are available to other bulk purchasers?

 

[shokhead]

Difference between M1 and M1 EP is? Also i thought M1 had a 5-40 but i didnt see it.

 

[todds21]

EP has more additives.....the good stuff and can run for longer intervals

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by shokhead:
Difference between M1 and M1 EP is? Also i thought M1 had a 5-40 but i didnt see it.

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Mobil sure is muddying the waters on oil selection (hmmmm, was that a Freudian slip...). Old TSUV was a 5w-40, but as I just found out, they're now marketing yet another flavor of 5w30 under the TSUV name. They're still brewing 5w-40, but now it's called "Turbo Diesel Truck 5w-40 for Diesel Engines." Click here to see for yourself (link to M1 site).

If you sniff around the site, you'll see some answers to the questions posed here, e.g. the differences b/w normal M1 and M1EP. It's still strange, though, at least to me. Three "different" 5w30s. I wonder how much difference a "normal" user might see in either subjective performance, UOA, or both if comparing these oils back-to-back.

 

[MikeyG]

I called Imperial Oil re: 2 grades of a single oil. They denied that they would make two seperate 5W30's with "super syn", one for "box" stores and one for auto supply shops. From any perspective it doesn't make sense. I don't think the EP oils have reached Canada yet.

The remaining oil they returned to me has a date on the bottle listed as 06/01/23, no starburst, and suitable for vs. exceeds.
Obviously not an extraspecial 5W30 "super syn".

 

[Big Jim]

Sounds like an excuse to charge more, an attempt to hold profit margins.

 

[yugrus]

EP is not available in Canada, I've yet to find TSUV here. I'm pretty sure the guy that gave you this explanation was full of you know what.

It is amazing how fast the service advisors invent the reply to the question that they have no clue about. Or their straight face when they want you to believe in whatever reason for jacked-up price.
Good poker players, I guess…

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by MikeyG:
I called Imperial Oil re: 2 grades of a single oil. They denied that they would make two seperate 5W30's with "super syn", one for "box" stores and one for auto supply shops. From any perspective it doesn't make sense. I don't think the EP oils have reached Canada yet.

The remaining oil they returned to me has a date on the bottle listed as 06/01/23, no starburst, and suitable for vs. exceeds.
Obviously not an extraspecial 5W30 "super syn".

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Who is Imperial Oil? Of course, I'm not in Canada. That said, if you check out the M1 site, and look at the Product Data Sheets, you'll see that M1 and M1EP are distinctly different oils ("normal" M1 is thicker at over 11 cSt, while M1EP shows up at just over 10 cSt). There's no PDS showing yet for the new TSUV 5w30, but given Mobil's recent pattern of brewing multiple different "flavors" of oil, I won't be surprised at all if 5w30 TSUV proves to be something different as well.

 

[White 03]

quote:

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Originally posted by MikeyG:
He said there are different grades of oil sold to the "box" stores vs. auto supply stores. Apparently there is an article about it in a mag. called SSGM.

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Anyone here really think the auto supply stores get a different grade, meaning quality, oil than the big box stores? Same oil not Mobil EP vs. Mobil 1 which are both available to everyone.

Anyone seen the article in SSGM?

 

[427Z06]

This article?

http://www.autoserviceworld.com/iss...id=130683103655&issue=02012006&PC=SGM&btac=no

 

[road_rascal]

These guys actually found oil bottles with an API SA rating on the shevles???

 

[Vilan]

At Canadian Tire, their SB rated oil costs *more* than the no-name SL/SM stuff.

To be fair, at least they don't put the SB oil right next to the good stuff. They put it in the "specialty" section for diesel, marine, chainsaws, etc.

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by road_rascal:
These guys actually found oil bottles with an API SA rating on the shevles???

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A lot more common than you'd expect. Check your local big-chain grocery store, I'd say 50-50 chances that you'll see some there. Much higher chances with small convenience stores. Even places like Autozone usually have some lurking within sight of the Mobil-1 and German Castrol. SA is definitely alive and well, as shocking as that might sound. Look around some and see for yourself. Personally, I suspect (just a suspicion, nothing more) that many cases of sludge in sludge-prone engines are caused by unknowing adding of SA oil in engines for which it is totally, completely inappropriate.

Hey, we live in a let the buyer beware society. Beware.

 

[Big Jim]

From what I remember, SA is not an obsolete rating. SA is the rating for non detergent oil.

I will agree that non detergent oil really doesn't have much of a use today though.

Also from what I remember the detergent oils started with either SC or SD. I would be upset to find either of these oils available today.

The sad part about finding SA oil on the shelf is that most consumers have no clue that it is not appropriate for today's cars.