MMO, the real deal.

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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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Stelth: So. I have some rectangular cast-iron pipe. I ground off the surface rust and coating, and drilled a 1/4" hole in it about 1/4" deep. I put Zmax in the hole, and I'm going to go through some heating and cooling cycles like they suggest in the video. All I can do after that is look for visual evidence of any penetration into the metal. I am able to take pretty thick slices of the iron, and I intend to do that.

This won't be a published, peer-reviewed experiment under lab conditions. So, it won't satisfy everyone, but I'm really doing it to satisfy myself. This is the first time I've ever bought Zmax, and if I'm convinced that it's worthless, it will be the last.

I also drilled a shallow hole in a piece of 3/16" mild steel to see if it would penetrate the steel at all. I've heated it and let it cool a couple of times, and while it did travel across the surface during this time, so far I see no sign of absorption. I believe Maurice LaPera did use the word "absorb" in the paper published on the Zmax website.


Can you borrow a X1000 mircroscope from someone close by?


If I can, I will. If you want me to send you any of the pieces, I can do that, too.

Clevy, I'll post pics and results on BITOG. I don't know what the results will be. I'm going to do a number of hot-cold cycles, and leave plenty of dwell time to give the Zmax the best benefit of the doubt. So it will be at least a few days before I'm ready to start cutting (and hopefully drawing conclusions).

It's already clear that Zmax really attacks rust. I put a teensy amount on some rusted angle iron, and brushed it with a wire brush about a day later. The area that the Zmax had penetrated (I don't think anyone is disputing that light oils will penetrate rust) brushed off much more easily than adjacent areas. That doesn't necessarily mean much by itself - motor oils have anti-rust and anti-corrosion properties as well. Just an observation, and I think it supports one of Zmax's claims.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
I agree and I have used MMO it did nothing no MPG gains the engine is and was clean before MMO and only in alchemy does this substance soak into a metal. Which means I should continue my quest for the philosophers stone. I could use some gold and immortality.


Titled "ZMax Micro-Lubricant - the facts"

http://www.zmax.com/documents/zmax-the_facts.pdf

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Because this uniquely processed mineral oil is able to both adsorb onto and absorb (penetrate) into the pores, cracks, and fissures in the engine’s metallurgy, a new mechanism of micro-lubrication is offered for improving the overall
lubrication and performance in automotive engines.


Guess even ZMax are saying (rev 2010) that it doesn't soak into the metal unless the metal has porosity/surface imperfections.

I've got a couple of recipes for the Philosophe's stone, and they aren't pretty.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
The AES report was a sham and never would have passed the muster at the University level. It was obviously intended as a "snow job" to impress the non-techs at the FTC.

The AES report was done by Richard B Shalvoy, PhD, then on the faculty of Brown University. He's currently professor of Chemistry at Quinnipiac University and a full time associate at Arch Analytical Services.

His publications include...
- The Bond Ionicity and Structural Stability of Some Average Valence Five Materials Studied by X-ray Photoemission, Brown University Press, 1977
- X-ray Photoemission Studies and Bonding in Amorphous Chalcogens.
Richard B Shalvoy; NATIONAL BUREAU OF STANDARDS WASHINGTON D C.. Defense Technical Information Center
- Catalytic conversion of alcohols - Attempt to correlate the ESCA oxygen 1s binding energy with the selectivity, Journal of the Chemical Society, Royal Society of Chemistry Journals
- Hydrogenation with anthranilic acid anchored, polymer-bound nickel catalysts, Journal of Organic Chemistry

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For those not in the know, Brown University is a private Ivy League research university, founded in 1764, and located in Providence, Rhode Island. U.S. News & World Report ranked Brown 14th among national universities in its 2014 edition. That same edition also ranked Brown 4th among national universities for graduate teaching (tying with Yale University). According to Forbes Magazine, Brown University ranks #13 Overall, #12 in Private Colleges, #7 in Research Universities, #11 in the Northeast, #9 in Grateful Grads. Forbes Overall Grade: A+. Immediately after graduation about 25% of Brown students go on to graduate or professional study. BTW, Brown University does not have a program in Tribology.

Notable recent Brown alumni include actors John Krasinski, Laura Linney and Emma Watson, as well as CNN founder Ted Turner, father of American public school education Horace Mann, philanthropist John D. Rockefeller Jr., NASA head during first seven Apollo missions Thomas O. Paine, chief scientist for NASA Mars and lunar programs James B. Garvin, diplomat Richard Holbrooke, Janet Yellen, first woman to head the Federal Reserve System and Jim Yong Kim, President of the World Bank. Four sitting state governors are also Brown alums.

So, whatever you do, do NOT send your sons and daughters to Brown University. It is a sham place wherein people don't need to pass the mustard (according to Molakule).

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The list of people and organizations on Molakule's boob list is growing by leaps and bounds: Clubber_Lang, rdalek, demarpaint, the FTC, FAA, Federal Judge Bullock in North Carolina, Carroll Shelby, Fred Offenhauser, Harry Miller, Dr Richard Shalvoy, Maurice LePera, Arch Analytical Services and now Brown University.

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We are all waiting breathlessly for Molakule to share his research or publication accomplishments with us. Ditto for Trajan to tell us about his adventures sniffing Zmax. Come on guys, we're waiting.

Molakule's bashing and trashing of individuals and agencies would be much more effective if we had some insight into his background, other than former Boeing employee and former operator of now defunct Specialty Formulations.
 
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Dave5358: X-ray Photoemission Studies and Bonding in Amorphous Chalcogens


Instead of name dropping, as if that meant anything, please give us a write up of the Nomograph and post it in "Question of the Day."

We're waiting with baited breath. I'm sorry, I missspoke, "Baiting Breath."
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Dave5358: X-ray Photoemission Studies and Bonding in Amorphous Chalcogens


Do you have *any* idea of what that is?
 
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The only Richard Shalvoy I could find is not associated with any University, but is associated with Arch Chemical Services as a Biocide chemist. No indication that this company engages in AES analysis.

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The list of people and organizations on Molakule's boob list is growing by leaps and bounds: Clubber_Lang, rdalek, demarpaint, the FTC, FAA, Federal Judge Bullock in North Carolina, Carroll Shelby, Fred Offenhauser, Harry Miller, Dr Richard Shalvoy, Maurice LePera, Arch Analytical Services and now Brown University.


The only people on MY boob list are Dave5358 and rdalek who continue to hijack a thread on MMO and come up with all kinds of wild fantasies.
 
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Molakule, if you have done anything of any professional significance, in any field, please share it with us. Nothing shows up on WorldCat. Nothing on SAE, basically, nothing.
 
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Molakule, if you have done anything of any professional significance, in any field, please share it with us. Personally, I don't think you have, but I could be wrong.


Molakule has. Just read. You have provided what exactly?
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Molakule, if you have done anything of any professional significance, in any field, please share it with us. Personally, I don't think you have, but I could be wrong.


Molakule has. Just read. You have provided what exactly?


It's research for his upcoming book. Baiting for Dummies.
 
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Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
The AES report was a sham and never would have passed the muster at the University level. It was obviously intended as a "snow job" to impress the non-techs at the FTC.

The AES report was done by Richard B Shalvoy, PhD, then on the faculty of Brown University. He's currently professor of Chemistry at Quinnipiac University and a full time associate at Arch Analytical Services.

His publications include...
- The Bond Ionicity and Structural Stability of Some Average Valence Five Materials Studied by X-ray Photoemission, Brown University Press, 1977
- X-ray Photoemission Studies and Bonding in Amorphous Chalcogens.
Richard B Shalvoy; NATIONAL BUREAU OF STANDARDS WASHINGTON D C.. Defense Technical Information Center
- Catalytic conversion of alcohols - Attempt to correlate the ESCA oxygen 1s binding energy with the selectivity, Journal of the Chemical Society, Royal Society of Chemistry Journals
- Hydrogenation with anthranilic acid anchored, polymer-bound nickel catalysts, Journal of Organic Chemistry

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For those not in the know, Brown University is a private Ivy League research university, founded in 1764, and located in Providence, Rhode Island. U.S. News & World Report ranked Brown 14th among national universities in its 2014 edition. That same edition also ranked Brown 4th among national universities for graduate teaching (tying with Yale University). According to Forbes Magazine, Brown University ranks #13 Overall, #12 in Private Colleges, #7 in Research Universities, #11 in the Northeast, #9 in Grateful Grads. Forbes Overall Grade: A+. Immediately after graduation about 25% of Brown students go on to graduate or professional study. BTW, Brown University does not have a program in Tribology.

Notable recent Brown alumni include actors John Krasinski, Laura Linney and Emma Watson, as well as CNN founder Ted Turner, father of American public school education Horace Mann, philanthropist John D. Rockefeller Jr., NASA head during first seven Apollo missions Thomas O. Paine, chief scientist for NASA Mars and lunar programs James B. Garvin, diplomat Richard Holbrooke, Janet Yellen, first woman to head the Federal Reserve System and Jim Yong Kim, President of the World Bank. Four sitting state governors are also Brown alums.

So, whatever you do, do NOT send your sons and daughters to Brown University. It is a sham place wherein people don't need to pass the mustard (according to Molakule).

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The list of people and organizations on Molakule's boob list is growing by leaps and bounds: Clubber_Lang, rdalek, demarpaint, the FTC, FAA, Federal Judge Bullock in North Carolina, Carroll Shelby, Fred Offenhauser, Harry Miller, Dr Richard Shalvoy, Maurice LePera, Arch Analytical Services and now Brown University.

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We are all waiting breathlessly for Molakule to share his research or publication accomplishments with us. Ditto for Trajan to tell us about his adventures sniffing Zmax. Come on guys, we're waiting.

Molakule's bashing and trashing of individuals and agencies would be much more effective if we had some insight into his background, other than former Boeing employee and former operator of now defunct Specialty Formulations.


And some of us have PhDs in related areas and know these techniques far better than the FTC or anyone arguing on here do...

Yes, indeed I have peer-reviewed journal articles, hundreds of presentations at professional societies, etc.

Only difference is that I'm not using that fact to sell a consulting gig that uses techy words to impress idiot lawyers into believing something.

We give you technical, you mention FTC. We discuss FTC, you ask for technical.

Give it up already. The techniques used are improper, and in the bleeding match that is a legal battle, it's doubtful that the FTC did actually have suitable witnesses.
 
Originally Posted By: dave5358
keesue:

You're serious?


What? Is keesue to complicated for you comprehend? Because keesue's reply was very short and concise to the majority of the English speaking world. I personally do not find his response to hard to understand. Maybe you need my assistance in helping you understand. I understand because if English is not your first language the task of understanding English is enormous and everyday English speakers make many mistakes.

Can I help you sir?
 
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