Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Good idea. What size shirt do you wear?
Forget the shirt. Send me stickers. Small ones, preferably.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just for the heck of it wipe something down with MMO that flash rusts and see if it prevents rust.
Bad idea. It might work, but penetrating rust is a different activity. Marvel did not claim to do this. See below where another forum user set this up as a straw man test for another product.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Our resident anti noticed Mr. Kelly used a poor choice of words, coats would have been a better choice. I've seen some real winners on another message board where three people post and the owner edits their posts constantly. No point in linking there though it might violate board rules. Shill out.
Actually "penetrates" was an adequate choice of words. The person who posted this was, no doubt, thinking about his favorite product Zmax, which has long made the claim "soaks into metal". After the FTC took them to task on this, Zmax demonstrated quite effectively that their product did, in fact, "soak into metal" and the FTC approved this ad claim going forward. I have no doubts that MMO would do the same. The reason is that metal is porous - aluminum is very porous, cast iron less so.
Understand that there is no 'standard' by which to test 'soaks into metal'. The same is probably true of 'penetrates metal'. The world-class lubricant and additives expert hired by Zmax decided to test instead for surface penetration. He commissioned Arch Analytical Services (AAS), a Connecticut Testing Laboratory, to perform a series of test using their Auger Emission Spectroscope (AES) with the results summed up as follows:
Originally Posted By: Affidavit of M.E.LePera
The final report from AAS shows that AES analysis of the Cast Iron specimens revealed an increase in carbon at both the "surface" and "etched" levels of the treated specimens [treated with Zmax or Zmax + motor oil] over the untreated specimens. The report further shows that the treated Aluminum Alloy specimens experienced such a dramatic increase in retained carbon within the specimen itself that analysis at the "etched" level could not be performed. Simply stated,
the Aluminum Alloy specimens absorbed so much zMAX that a numerical analysis of the degree of absorption could not be conducted.
Molakule completely lost his cool over this report, claimiing that AAS did not know how to use their own Auger Electron Spectroscope, that the tests were invalid, the electron stream would flash off the volatiles in the mix, and on and on. No matter that Arch Analytical addressed each of these points in their report. One of Molakule's most bizarre claims was that in one part of the test on iron samples, in which Zmax was mixed with oil, AAS was unable to determine the amount of absorption due to oil and the amount due to Zmax. Yet, there was no question that penetration occurred. And, penetration by Zmax alone was substantial and greater than by oil alone.
Molakule also attacked the results by suggesting the Zmax did not
diffuse into metal. This was a totally bogus straw man. Zmax never claimed to diffuse into metal. The same applies to MMO ("penetrates metal"). And, Molakule claimed that he had conducted his own home brew test in which he determined that Zmax did not penetrate rust (maybe the test suggested above?). Still another straw man... Zmax never claimed to do this. Judge products on their claims - not on some bogus straw man claims made by detractors.
If MMO claims to penetrate metal, then it probably penetrates metal. And, so does motor oil (straight out of the AAS report). And, so does Zmax ["soaks into metal" - straight out of the AAS report) . Forget the straw men and simply read the
Arch Analytical Services report. This is an archived report posted on Benz World - use your own Adobe Reader to open it. Or, the complete
affidavit of Maurice E LePera.
