MMO, the real deal.

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Originally Posted By: Chris142
the 62 pete i had is still hauling dirt 5 days a week. it had whatever oil previous owners ran. then what ever i found on sale.its still running its original engine,pistons etc.


There are more stories like this, there are fewer stories like this when MMO is a factor. So according to the logic of the original post MMO<regular motor oil and gasoline.
 
Originally Posted By: cknight49090
I never would I use oil and that's it but kerosene does the same as MMO for a lot less money if I where to use it in the oil.MMO is for fools ..............


Well that is some strong language from a guy who is new to this website. There have been several discussions here about MMO and from what I can see a majority of guys here who have tried MMO have found that it worked for them. So are all of those guys 'fools?'

And MMO is most certainly not just kerosene. The new guy here at first seemed to thing MMO was some sort of octane booster. Read what he has said.

Maybe he should at least first find out about a product before he starts to call people 'fools.'
 
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
I personally dont see the point. In the 70's and 80's, sure..but not today.

Engines have changed that much? No more varnish or gummy oil?

While modern valve trains may be a bit shorter, VVT systems generate gum and sticking and related issues like there is no tomorrow.
 
Originally Posted By: cknight49090
Listen there is threads on this useless product everyday nobody with any sense supports this product to do anything only one person.Its a waste of time and money and for those that think octane booster does anything or people that think they can tell from their butt dyno when they use 93 instead of 87.Its good for nothing period............


Here is how accurate cknight49090 is in his 'research' on MMO. He says that ..."only one person" supports MMO here. Who is the 'one person?' There have been several posts here about MMO. In this one single post there are a few guys who talk about using MMO and getting positive results or say they like MMO. This ONE POST ON MMO disproves what cknight49090 says. Because even in this single post about MMO there is more than one guy supporting MMO. So much for cknight49090's research into MMO.

Guys can like or dislike MMO. That is each individual's choice. And this cknight49090 can dislike MMO all he wants. But I have a problem when somebody starts to call people 'fools.' If cknight49090 has some actual proof that MMO does not work, he can present that evidence here. Without resorting to calling people 'fools.'

Personal attacks on people are used by those who have no valid counter-arguments that they can use. Calling people 'fools' is a personal attack. Calling guys here 'fools' achieves nothing. If you have proof that MMO is useless present show us the evidence that MMO is no good.
 
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Chris142
the 62 pete i had is still hauling dirt 5 days a week. it had whatever oil previous owners ran. then what ever i found on sale.its still running its original engine,pistons etc.


There are more stories like this, there are fewer stories like this when MMO is a factor. So according to the logic of the original post MMOdiv>


The only evidence I've seen that Marvel Misery Oil does anything were the pics, no longer available, that Gary Allan showed of his pistons. (If there are other before/after pics, someone can show them.)

Everything else is Zmax style "proof".
 
Regular MMO user here. Here is a pic with the valve covers off my Subi. IIRC, this was around 180K. Every few oil changes I would run up to 25% MMO. Granted the car was used when I purchased it, but IIRC, this was after 60-75K of my personal use. Does MMO work? Cant say for sure but my top end is clean...



 
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Everything else is Zmax style "proof".


Do you really want to go there?

I use MMO and have done so for a long time. I have family that has/does as well. I think it works just fine in my opinion.
 
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Everything else is Zmax style "proof".


Do you really want to go there? I use MMO and have done so for a long time. I have family that has/does as well. I think it works just fine in my opinion.

Why not go there? The evidence supporting Zmax was overwhelming. It's hard to imagine an additive product for which there is so much publicly available test information supporting the product, and virtually no evidence except anecdotes opposed to it. So much so, that the FTC approved their advertising claims, as did a Federal Judge. The FAA had previously approved Avblend for use in piston aircraft.

MMO works fine. It's been around forever. Chrysler sold Marvel Oilers under their own name as well as MMO for use in Chrysler New Yorkers (their flagship automobile). The US Air Force used MMO in certain airplanes. One big advantage of MMO over Zmax is that Zmax is very expensive and MMO is not.
 
Originally Posted By: sw99
Regular MMO user here. Here is a pic with the valve covers off my Subi. IIRC, this was around 180K. Every few oil changes I would run up to 25% MMO. Granted the car was used when I purchased it, but IIRC, this was after 60-75K of my personal use. Does MMO work? Cant say for sure but my top end is clean...






Nice pics. But what did it look like before? My own use of MMO in the oil did nothing but shut off the oil light.

It's better in the gas I suppose. But a jack of all trades will never be as good as a specialist product
 
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
Originally Posted By: cknight49090
yeah that's all I need is some stickers it has nothing in it that does anything period.It may clean the oil possibly but I would use 10 different things before I wasted my time on mmo.What kills me is the ones that think adding it to the gas does anything lol.They are the reason lucas is still in business.Tired of seeing threads about a worthless product every day or two.The MSDS confirms its nothing that does a [censored] thing .............

There are quite a few people on BITOG who use MMO regularly in their oil and/or gas. And as far as the MSDS showing that it doesn't have anything that does anything, dermapaint has posted the following quite a few times (I don't know if it is originally his, but he is the one who posts it most often):

Originally Posted By: dermapaint
70% Light Aromatic Oil (Pale Oil)
- It is a Naphthenic Oil, so while it oxidizes faster than a Paraffinic oil, it does clean and dissolve sludge and carbon well and cleans up after itself from any oxidation. serves as base oil as well. [Naphthenic oils have more solvency and are more polar (they are attracted to metal more), but oxidize faster.

29% Mineral Spirits
- Cleans Varnish very well. General cleaner. Also acts as an antioxidant.

38 parts per million (ppm) Boron
- AW/EP agent, friction reducer, antioxidant

900 ppm Phosporous
- AW/EP agent

1/2% 1, 2 ortho-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer

1/4% 1, 4 para-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer

Oil of wintergreen - for the scent
- Not just for the cent, is also a cleaner. may aid lubricity.

Red Dye - for the color
- well this one just colors the stuff


Zmax is 99% mineral oil. And it has yet to be proved it does what it claims.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Zmax is 99% mineral oil. And it has yet to be proved it does what it claims.


I think I have shown that to be false on many occasions. Don't complain because I challenge your post. You are the one that mentioned ZMax twice now and you were the first to bring it up. ZMax went to court with the FTC and ZMax provided proof that it does what it claims.
 
Originally Posted By: cknight49090
I never would I use oil and that's it but kerosene does the same as MMO for a lot less money if I where to use it in the oil.MMO is for fools ..............

Surely you can avoid name calling.

MMO is defintiely NOT an octane booster. I don't think it has ever claimed to be that. In fact, it may be exactly the opposite - an octane reducer. I am pretty sure that's why the Air Force was using it - ditto for some small aircraft owners.

Kerosene most likely does not do the same thing, but you're welcome to add it to your gas or oil if you choose.
 
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Zmax is 99% mineral oil. And it has yet to be proved it does what it claims.


I think I have shown that to be false on many occasions. Don't complain because I challenge your post. You are the one that mentioned ZMax twice now and you were the first to bring it up. ZMax went to court with the FTC and ZMax provided proof that it does what it claims.


To Trajan and rdalek: This is an MMO thread. I note that Trajan first mentioned Zmax - rather off topic to this thread. But, if anyone is interested in another Zmax thread, let's start one rather than polluting this MMO thread.
 
I use MMO at a 320:1 ~ 640:1 ratio in my gas and always get a 1+ MPG increase in my vehicles gas mileage as compared to not using MMO... I mainly use it for it's upper cylinder lube & light cleaning properties ...YMMV.
 
Seems MMO is gaining even more popularity here. As the resident MMO shill it does my heart good to see this great product growing in popularity and building a nice fan base here. Time for me to call the good folks at Turtle Wax for my next shill installment. Carry on MMO fans the first round is on me. LOL
 
Why the hate? Bet the odds are if you hate MMO you've never used it.

By the way why hasn't Donald chimed in yet?
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Seems MMO is gaining even more popularity here. As the resident MMO shill it does my heart good to see this great product growing in popularity and building a nice fan base here. Time for me to call the good folks at Turtle Wax for my next shill installment. Carry on MMO fans the first round is on me. LOL


Frank see if there are more hats and T shirts will you I'm running low.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Seems MMO is gaining even more popularity here. As the resident MMO shill it does my heart good to see this great product growing in popularity and building a nice fan base here. Time for me to call the good folks at Turtle Wax for my next shill installment. Carry on MMO fans the first round is on me. LOL


Great job man! I vote you get promoted to King Shill! All hail...
 
As long as I've been on here, the MMO reviews are still mixed. My dad unseized his 1949 Farmall Cub in 1973 by pouring some MMO down each spark plug hole and letting it sit for a week. Tractor is still running fine today. Maybe something else would have worked too, but that is what he used.

I admit to using it mostly in winter to the 20% ratio to aid in cold weather starts. This past winter did have engine first start audible differences with and without it in my crankcases. My vehicles sounded better with it mixed in the oil in January. The vehicles have 249k and 300k respectively and still run fine today. If it's marketing hype or truly scientific data tested, I feel it has a certain niche place in the automotive world for people who trust it. For those that think of it as snake oil, not using it won't hurt anything either. I use no MMO at all from April-November.
 
Trav- You got it buddy!

Steve- King Shill, I like it. How about KS for short? Shirts, and hats are on the way!

LOL
 
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