Michelin LTX MS/2
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I'm a little undecided at the moment on these. I need to have one replaced, bad out of the box so to speak; but we finally have enough snow IMO to test out.
Bare pavement they are ok if not good. I have too much psi in them but apples to apples, compared to the OEM Dueler H/T's I'd say they do not ride appreciably rougher, nor appreciably louder. No idea on wet traction as I don't drive so as to find out. Cannot speak as to mpg but I have not seen a loss; I seem to be getting 19-20mpg at the moment, whereas the OEM's might have been 20-21 (but that was on summer gas with summer temps--very hard to go apples to apples here).
In slush, on pavement, I'd call them decent. I can make the ABS engage but that is not a real feat: traction control can kick on too but it's not bad. Seem adequate, but I have full tread depth. Since it generally doesn't snow more than once/week they seem fine. So far driving sanely hasn't made me feel like I was going to die.
In an inch of packing snow though they seem overwhelmed if on an incline. I have to use 4WD to move around in the driveway. Maybe adding 2-300lb of ballast would help. Even in 4WD I can feel them spin and dig down while taking off (deep towing gearing + typical Toyota tip-in). I'm not sure if TC is working against me or not; I attempted to disable it last night and it refused to go into the right setting (TC off and no ALSD; it kept engaging ALSD and I only wanted to test one thing at a time).
I'll be curious how it does when I try to go through 6"+. I suspect they will be overwhelmed.
At the moment I *think* my Jetta with no traction control and with Nordman 2's is about equal to the Tundra with LTX's in 4WD. [Of course working a clutch means darn good "traction control"! Can get a suitable amount of tire spin if necessary, where as the Tundra's TC seems to not let enough.] Both vehicles would spin leaving the driveway in similar snow conditions. I have to say I'm glad I did not get a 2WD truck: even with snows it'd be defeated by inclines.
Bare pavement they are ok if not good. I have too much psi in them but apples to apples, compared to the OEM Dueler H/T's I'd say they do not ride appreciably rougher, nor appreciably louder. No idea on wet traction as I don't drive so as to find out. Cannot speak as to mpg but I have not seen a loss; I seem to be getting 19-20mpg at the moment, whereas the OEM's might have been 20-21 (but that was on summer gas with summer temps--very hard to go apples to apples here).
In slush, on pavement, I'd call them decent. I can make the ABS engage but that is not a real feat: traction control can kick on too but it's not bad. Seem adequate, but I have full tread depth. Since it generally doesn't snow more than once/week they seem fine. So far driving sanely hasn't made me feel like I was going to die.
In an inch of packing snow though they seem overwhelmed if on an incline. I have to use 4WD to move around in the driveway. Maybe adding 2-300lb of ballast would help. Even in 4WD I can feel them spin and dig down while taking off (deep towing gearing + typical Toyota tip-in). I'm not sure if TC is working against me or not; I attempted to disable it last night and it refused to go into the right setting (TC off and no ALSD; it kept engaging ALSD and I only wanted to test one thing at a time).
I'll be curious how it does when I try to go through 6"+. I suspect they will be overwhelmed.
At the moment I *think* my Jetta with no traction control and with Nordman 2's is about equal to the Tundra with LTX's in 4WD. [Of course working a clutch means darn good "traction control"! Can get a suitable amount of tire spin if necessary, where as the Tundra's TC seems to not let enough.] Both vehicles would spin leaving the driveway in similar snow conditions. I have to say I'm glad I did not get a 2WD truck: even with snows it'd be defeated by inclines.
My Nissan 4x4 with the old LTX M/S tires would chew through 6" snow quite easily. I bet turning off the traction control on your truck would help a lot.
Buyers should note we're really talking about 3 kinds of LTX MS/2 tires here- the P-Metrics with 12/32 tread depth, the LT with 13.5/32, and an OEM P255/70R18 with 11.5/32.
It would help to note which you have. Some tires are available in the same nominal size as P or LT.
Also these are very heavy tires, but that alone does not determine much. Apparently they have low rolling resistance because most report good fuel economy with them.
I'm reading this thread with interest, as I have a new set on my old Pilot with less than 1K miles on them. I find them infinitely better in snow and wet than the 4 year old, 45K mile Goodyear Integrity tires they replaced, which still had 5-6/32.
It would help to note which you have. Some tires are available in the same nominal size as P or LT.
Also these are very heavy tires, but that alone does not determine much. Apparently they have low rolling resistance because most report good fuel economy with them.
I'm reading this thread with interest, as I have a new set on my old Pilot with less than 1K miles on them. I find them infinitely better in snow and wet than the 4 year old, 45K mile Goodyear Integrity tires they replaced, which still had 5-6/32.
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Looks like next week the Expedition will be wearing a set of these to replace the LTX M/S's it is currently sporting (which have about 70,000 miles on them) as my wife wants to upgrade the tires as they are getting close to the wear bars.
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Looks like next week the Expedition will be wearing a set of these to replace the LTX M/S's it is currently sporting (which have about 70,000 miles on them) as my wife wants to upgrade the tires as they are getting close to the wear bars.
It's amazing you got that many miles on these tires with that heavy Expedition. Amazing!
Looks like next week the Expedition will be wearing a set of these to replace the LTX M/S's it is currently sporting (which have about 70,000 miles on them) as my wife wants to upgrade the tires as they are getting close to the wear bars.
It's amazing you got that many miles on these tires with that heavy Expedition. Amazing!
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Originally Posted By: Lakersguy
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Looks like next week the Expedition will be wearing a set of these to replace the LTX M/S's it is currently sporting (which have about 70,000 miles on them) as my wife wants to upgrade the tires as they are getting close to the wear bars.
It's amazing you got that many miles on these tires with that heavy Expedition. Amazing!
What is even more amazing is that they still perform almost like new, even this worn down. They don't hydroplane, are still good on ice and in snow....etc.
They are great tires
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Looks like next week the Expedition will be wearing a set of these to replace the LTX M/S's it is currently sporting (which have about 70,000 miles on them) as my wife wants to upgrade the tires as they are getting close to the wear bars.
It's amazing you got that many miles on these tires with that heavy Expedition. Amazing!
What is even more amazing is that they still perform almost like new, even this worn down. They don't hydroplane, are still good on ice and in snow....etc.
They are great tires
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
I would use them with confidence despite the announcement today.
"Michelin Recalls 1.2 million tires"
"The tires, known as Michelin LTX M/S tires, were manufactured between January 2010 and June 2012. They were sold as original equipment on some vehicles and as new replacement tires."
Google if you are curious.
"Michelin Recalls 1.2 million tires"
"The tires, known as Michelin LTX M/S tires, were manufactured between January 2010 and June 2012. They were sold as original equipment on some vehicles and as new replacement tires."
Google if you are curious.
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Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
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Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
I would use them with confidence despite the announcement today.
"Michelin Recalls 1.2 million tires"
"The tires, known as Michelin LTX M/S tires, were manufactured between January 2010 and June 2012. They were sold as original equipment on some vehicles and as new replacement tires."
Google if you are curious.
Michelin has two recalls right now. The first one is for light truck tires, here is the link:
http://www.michelin.ca/voluntary-safety-recall.page
Quote:
Michelin is voluntarily recalling certain sizes of its MICHELIN® LTX® M/S 2, MICHELIN® X® Radial LT2 and MICHELIN® Latitude® Tour tires. These tires are typically found on light trucks and SUVs
The tires were produced between September 2012 and early June 2013.
Sizes are as follows:
MICHELIN LTX M/S 2: P275/55R20 111T RBL, P265/65R18 112T and P265/60R18 109T ORWL
MICHELIN X Radial LT2: P265/65R18 112T and P275/55R20 111T
MICHELIN Latitude Tour: P255/60R19 108S and P255/70R18 112T
Michelin is recalling approximately 100,000 tires in order to retrieve an estimated 2,500 tires (about 2.5% of the recalled population).
Affected tires could have partial or full sidewall perforations that could cause them to experience loss of air pressure.
Michelin recommends removal of these tires as soon as possible. To reduce any inconvenience for consumers, Michelin will replace any tires from the list below on their vehicles even if they are not part of the 2,500 known affected tires. The removed tires will be replaced with a similar product free of charge.
To return and replace these tires at no cost, please visit your Michelin dealer for assistance. To locate a Michelin dealer, click on the link below.
The second is for the older LTX M/S and only covers one size:
http://www.michelin.ca/safety-recall.page
Quote:
Michelin is recalling one version of a specific size of the Michelin LTX M/S tire. These tires are typically found on such vehicles as commercial light trucks, full-sized heavy duty vans, small RVs and some large pickup trucks.
The tires were produced between January 2010 and June 2012.
The tire version and size are:
Michelin LTX M/S LT 225/75R16 115/112R LRE
The tires were fitted as original equipment on some new vehicles and were also sold as new replacement tires.
Michelin is issuing the recall because a small number of the tires being recalled experienced tread loss and/or rapid air loss.
Michelin recommends removal of these tires as soon as possible. Owners of the affected tires should visit an authorized Michelin retail location as soon as possible to have the tires replaced at no charge.
Not sure where the 1.2 million number is coming from
I would use them with confidence despite the announcement today.
"Michelin Recalls 1.2 million tires"
"The tires, known as Michelin LTX M/S tires, were manufactured between January 2010 and June 2012. They were sold as original equipment on some vehicles and as new replacement tires."
Google if you are curious.
Michelin has two recalls right now. The first one is for light truck tires, here is the link:
http://www.michelin.ca/voluntary-safety-recall.page
Quote:
Michelin is voluntarily recalling certain sizes of its MICHELIN® LTX® M/S 2, MICHELIN® X® Radial LT2 and MICHELIN® Latitude® Tour tires. These tires are typically found on light trucks and SUVs
The tires were produced between September 2012 and early June 2013.
Sizes are as follows:
MICHELIN LTX M/S 2: P275/55R20 111T RBL, P265/65R18 112T and P265/60R18 109T ORWL
MICHELIN X Radial LT2: P265/65R18 112T and P275/55R20 111T
MICHELIN Latitude Tour: P255/60R19 108S and P255/70R18 112T
Michelin is recalling approximately 100,000 tires in order to retrieve an estimated 2,500 tires (about 2.5% of the recalled population).
Affected tires could have partial or full sidewall perforations that could cause them to experience loss of air pressure.
Michelin recommends removal of these tires as soon as possible. To reduce any inconvenience for consumers, Michelin will replace any tires from the list below on their vehicles even if they are not part of the 2,500 known affected tires. The removed tires will be replaced with a similar product free of charge.
To return and replace these tires at no cost, please visit your Michelin dealer for assistance. To locate a Michelin dealer, click on the link below.
The second is for the older LTX M/S and only covers one size:
http://www.michelin.ca/safety-recall.page
Quote:
Michelin is recalling one version of a specific size of the Michelin LTX M/S tire. These tires are typically found on such vehicles as commercial light trucks, full-sized heavy duty vans, small RVs and some large pickup trucks.
The tires were produced between January 2010 and June 2012.
The tire version and size are:
Michelin LTX M/S LT 225/75R16 115/112R LRE
The tires were fitted as original equipment on some new vehicles and were also sold as new replacement tires.
Michelin is issuing the recall because a small number of the tires being recalled experienced tread loss and/or rapid air loss.
Michelin recommends removal of these tires as soon as possible. Owners of the affected tires should visit an authorized Michelin retail location as soon as possible to have the tires replaced at no charge.
Not sure where the 1.2 million number is coming from
I am not sure about that 1.2 million number either... but it is in all the headlines. Like I said, this issue wouldn't impact my opinion of Michelin tires.
It is obvious by the recalled numbers that Michelin is extremely serious about their tires and reputation.
While many of us here wish for perfection it is rarely attainable. My Dad always said anybody can do it right once, but when the eventually inevitable happens it's how you clean up the mess that marks you as (insert good or bad term here).
Doesn't change our opinion of Michelin either. There are many years where we buy multiple sets and we have only had one bad tire in decades which was quickly replaced...
While many of us here wish for perfection it is rarely attainable. My Dad always said anybody can do it right once, but when the eventually inevitable happens it's how you clean up the mess that marks you as (insert good or bad term here).
Doesn't change our opinion of Michelin either. There are many years where we buy multiple sets and we have only had one bad tire in decades which was quickly replaced...
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
Gotcha. I'm around 6,100lbs, no idea on the distribution though.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
Gotcha. I'm around 6,100lbs, no idea on the distribution though.
I wish my worn out tires were on that list. I make the dates but not the size.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
Gotcha. I'm around 6,100lbs, no idea on the distribution though.
Geez, where is all the weight?
My personal favorite 05 Silverado with two pages of options only weighs 4900 pounds. And I can't believe I said "only"!
I guess I can expect this set of LTX MS2's to last forever!
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: supton
Got some snow last night; something like 12" of powder but it was packed down to 8" or so when I got out there to shovel it. Drove through it with the truck, it was skidplate-high. By the road where it piles up from the plow I stopped to look both ways, and it would not go through it (slight incline); had to take a running start at it. 4WD with traction off, of course.
Is your truck light? Just wondering as I was in similar snow with the Expedition with my currently far more worn tires than what you are running and had no problems getting moving in 4x4 with snow up to the skid plates on an incline
But the Expie is north of 6,000lbs and has a T-Lok rear diff too.
5,400lb with about a 60/40% F/R distribution. No locker though.
Gotcha. I'm around 6,100lbs, no idea on the distribution though.
Geez, where is all the weight?
My personal favorite 05 Silverado with two pages of options only weighs 4900 pounds. And I can't believe I said "only"!
I guess I can expect this set of LTX MS2's to last forever!
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The new LTX M/S2's are on the truck
Under $1K out the door. Pretty happy with that considering the mileage I know I'll get out of them.
Under $1K out the door. Pretty happy with that considering the mileage I know I'll get out of them.
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