Michelin LTX MS/2

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Originally Posted By: chevman4life
I currently have about 20k on them and are at 10/32nds on all four. I am com uniting more now, straight shot 108 miles a day, all highway. So will be interesting how they do.

Howdy Neighbor! My guess is that you will have tread wear similar to mine and they wear slower past the point that you are now. I am at 9/32" @ 70K and obviously we may not have the same driving styles, but these things wear like iron.
 
From personal experience these tires are great on just about anything. The exception being trucks that really work (f250, 2500hd ext) and heaver trucks.

Michelin is buying me a 2nd set at their expience. My tire guy had informed me that michelin is a wear of the problem. I only get 29000 per a set of these.

Buyer beware.
 
I measured mine, and I think I barely have 10/32, at brand new. Maybe it is bad gauge? I just have this: http://t.homedepot.com/p/Empire-6-in-Pocket-Ruler-2730/202035324

I think these ms2 are a hair louder than the OEM tires, but still quite. At stock pressure it rides decent if not a bit marshmellowly; at 20% over its not bad. Will likely lower the pressure a bit but the factory 30/33 IMO is too low.
 
Originally Posted By: simplistic
From personal experience these tires are great on just about anything. The exception being trucks that really work (f250, 2500hd ext) and heaver trucks.

Michelin is buying me a 2nd set at their expience. My tire guy had informed me that michelin is a wear of the problem. I only get 29000 per a set of these.

Buyer beware.


Yet our service vans that leave every AM at a curb weight of 9000+ pounds get three times the life of standard load range E tires. Please elaborate and fill us in, these tires wear like iron IME!
 
I used the truck in my signature for pulling a car hauler for about three years. I've been tolled the exessive wear was caused by a few things.
1). Heavy weights in the mountians and starts and stops
2). Soft compound and side walls (2ply)
3). All the above combined with diesel power(torque)

weights were in the 14-15k gcwr range. truck is rated for 23k gcwr.
 
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If you have a really light car with relatively wide tires (Highlander in my sig is 3600 lbs with 225 tires) they always last forever. Still my LTX MS2's started with 12/32 and at 30,000 miles all 4 are still over 10.

So while Michelin may be aware of a problem, for applications on my end of the spectrum there doesn't seem to be one.
 
Originally Posted By: simplistic
I agree with you. In certian appalcations they are flawless.


I have about 70,000 miles on the current set on the Expedition and they still have a fair deal of life left in them. That's been my experience in how they wear on most vehicles.

That said, my buddy's Super Duty would destroy anything he put on the rear of it, so perhaps your truck shares that trait.
 
I put a set of LTX M/S2 on a 2011 F150 4x4 last month. The last two weeks have been vintage winter driving: a mix of wet snow, fluffy blowing and drifting snow, hard packed snow and tire-polished snow-covered slippery concrete. These tires have been excellent in all of these situations. I haven't used 4 WD at all and I am going over surfaces that are taking out other vehicles.

I am completely satisfied with their performance and have no desire to buy dedicated snow tires.
 
I am in the process of deciding if I want to got to these or something cheaper for my next set on the wife's Frontier. We currently have Michelin Latitude Tours, which I chose because of Michelin's better ratings for MPG, comfort and noise.

But I am currently disappointed in the Latitudes, as we currently have about 20K miles, and the tires are down to about 6/32's. They are rotated religiously, and always perfectly inflated. I called Michelin, and they suggested all I can do is run them down to the wear bars and then have them inspected by a Michelin dealer.

I am NOT running them down to the wear bars for a POTENTIAL warranty claim. I'm not even sure I'll be satisfied with the wife driving them for the balance of an Iowa winter at 6/32's. Now - her driving routine is definitely a BIG part of the issue. She has four stop signs, eight 90 deg. turns, plus parking lot maneuvering for EACH of her four 2 mile commutes each day (including home for lunch). The OE Goodyear's fared no better.

So I am wondering if cheaper Yoko's or General's are the way to go, since it seems unlikely that any tire can be expected to have any extended wear, regardless of price.

Thoughts??
 
Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
But I am currently disappointed in the Latitudes, as we currently have about 20K miles, and the tires are down to about 6/32's.


What is the tire size?

Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
So I am wondering if cheaper Yoko's or General's are the way to go, since it seems unlikely that any tire can be expected to have any extended wear, regardless of price.


I'd recommend either the Michelin LTX M/S2 or the Firestone Destination LE2. I'm betting that the Latitude Tours you do have are an OEM tire on something, which explains the poor tread life. Neither the LTX M/S2 nor the Destination LE2 should be the OEM tire on anything, eliminating that risk.

This is something I check with every set of tires I buy. Does this particular tire come on *anything* as a factory fitment? If so, I will not buy it, regardless of brand, unless I do some significant checking first on tread life from other owners of that *exact* tire (size, model, service description, part number, etc).
 
the latitude tour are an average tire. much better stuff out there.. as mentioned top of the list for a highway tread tire would be michelin ltx m/s2 or firestone destination le2

both are excellent tires.

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pretty sure latitude tour is oem on some new vehicles .. ex chevy equinox
 
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Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
She has four stop signs, eight 90 deg. turns, plus parking lot maneuvering for EACH of her four 2 mile commutes each day (including home for lunch). The OE Goodyear's fared no better.


That's exactly why she's not getting any mileage out of her tires... Michelin or Goodyear (or any brand). She's scrubbing the tread off of them. That's not the fault of the tires. You're not going to see decent mileage under those conditions with any tire.
 
Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
I am in the process of deciding if I want to got to these or something cheaper for my next set on the wife's Frontier. We currently have Michelin Latitude Tours, which I chose because of Michelin's better ratings for MPG, comfort and noise.

But I am currently disappointed in the Latitudes, as we currently have about 20K miles, and the tires are down to about 6/32's. They are rotated religiously, and always perfectly inflated. I called Michelin, and they suggested all I can do is run them down to the wear bars and then have them inspected by a Michelin dealer.

I am NOT running them down to the wear bars for a POTENTIAL warranty claim. I'm not even sure I'll be satisfied with the wife driving them for the balance of an Iowa winter at 6/32's. Now - her driving routine is definitely a BIG part of the issue. She has four stop signs, eight 90 deg. turns, plus parking lot maneuvering for EACH of her four 2 mile commutes each day (including home for lunch). The OE Goodyear's fared no better.

So I am wondering if cheaper Yoko's or General's are the way to go, since it seems unlikely that any tire can be expected to have any extended wear, regardless of price.

Thoughts??


I presume the car is getting wrung out on the weekends? It's getting what, 16 miles/day commuting? Tires should last forever at that rate. Furthermore, just how much "trouble" can one get into on a 2 mile drive in inclement weather? While I'm a sucker for good tires I feel lead to play devils advocate for a moment.

Space to store tires? Could do two sets of tires. I've wondered about buying a new set of all seasons, and running old all seasons during the summer... Atypical but if new / full tread all seasons do fine for winter, well, why not finish off a set in the summer? Do have to deal with mount/balance and/or spare rims, but have never heard of anyone seriously contemplating this approach.
 
The tires are 265/70-16. They are not OE, nor designated as such. They were purchased from DTD about three years ago. I realize there IS an OE version that is used on some larger SUV's. The mileage warranty for the Latitudes is 65,000 vs 70,000 for the LTX M/S2. The wife averages a little less than 7K miles per year. Her type of driving is hard on batteries, exhaust systems, oil, tires and maybe more.

I am starting to agree with mrsilv04. I posted originally because I am not sure paying for a premium tire is going to be cost effective in her scenario.
 
If she's only going to get 40k miles out of a 65k mile tire, either the equipment (truck), driver (her), or environment (roads, route) is hard on the tires, and will likely be equally hard on any tire you install. That said, there are less expensive tires that also bear a read life warranty that is close to 60,000 miles.

If you are shopping replacement tires soon, check out the Destination LE2 from Firestone. Indydriver posted an excellent coupon for those in the discounts subforum. That offer is good in the month of January only, so if it hits your window, you can probably get an excellent set of tires very inexpensively.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
I presume the car is getting wrung out on the weekends? It's getting what, 16 miles/day commuting? Tires should last forever at that rate.


No. The problem is that she's literally scrubbing the tread off of them with all of the turning and parking lot maneuvering.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
But I am currently disappointed in the Latitudes, as we currently have about 20K miles, and the tires are down to about 6/32's.


What is the tire size?

Originally Posted By: gizzsdad
So I am wondering if cheaper Yoko's or General's are the way to go, since it seems unlikely that any tire can be expected to have any extended wear, regardless of price.


I'd recommend either the Michelin LTX M/S2 or the Firestone Destination LE2. I'm betting that the Latitude Tours you do have are an OEM tire on something, which explains the poor tread life. Neither the LTX M/S2 nor the Destination LE2 should be the OEM tire on anything, eliminating that risk.

This is something I check with every set of tires I buy. Does this particular tire come on *anything* as a factory fitment? If so, I will not buy it, regardless of brand, unless I do some significant checking first on tread life from other owners of that *exact* tire (size, model, service description, part number, etc).


The LTX M/S has been the OEM tire on Toyota Landcruiser and Lexus SUV for at least 23 years. Thats how I found out about them years ago.
 
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