Methy Mike and the Sketchy Bunch

[OVERKILL]

How about the South African flame thrower security system? World class automotive security system

I've heard that country folk have a triple-S system which has an extremely high rate of success in preventing repeat offenses.

 

[IndyIan]

All of that would be great except the crimes are committed by mostly a specific group that is being “imported” into Canada it record numbers. And they are given very generous taxpayer help to get them “acclimated”.

All the car thefts, shootings etc. are mostly committed by these people.
But the climate is such that nobody can specifically point at them, your post is a prime example of that.

Locally, I don't find that the case here. I think in the upper levels of crime we might find a larger percentage of second generation immigrants in the larger cities, running things, but they sure aren't the ones poking around cars at night. There are mostly white poor people doing this stuff where Overkill lives, and in my area, its 99% white folks both living and doing drugs and small crimes.
We do have lots of darker skin recent immigrants here, but they are a select motivated group who wanted a better life in Canada and are working hard doing lots of jobs where you can't be drunk, smell, or look homeless, or have tattoos on your face.... I think they may out compete marginal white/multi generation Canadian's as employers know these folks are here to work and generally don't drink or do drugs at all, which I don't think helps the 75 IQ white guy find a job, but I won't blame the immigrant that is here for that. I do think we overdid immigration numbers though.

I'm not necessarily pro or anti immigration, but until you can show any proof of rates of crime, by new Canadians, I don't think they are the problem.

 

[OVERKILL]

Locally, I don't find that the case here. I think in the upper levels of crime we might find a larger percentage of second generation immigrants in the larger cities, running things, but they sure aren't the ones poking around cars at night. There are mostly white poor people doing this stuff where Overkill lives, and in my area, its 99% white folks both living and doing drugs and small crimes.
We do have lots of darker skin recent immigrants here, but they are a select motivated group who wanted a better life in Canada and are working hard doing lots of jobs where you can't be drunk, smell, or look homeless, or have tattoos on your face.... I think they may out compete marginal white/multi generation Canadian's as employers know these folks are here to work and generally don't drink or do drugs at all, which I don't think helps the 75 IQ white guy find a job, but I won't blame the immigrant that is here for that. I do think we overdid immigration numbers though.

I'm not necessarily pro or anti immigration, but until you can show any proof of rates of crime, by new Canadians, I don't think they are the problem.

Yes, these are generally all rather rough looking white folks, as you note.

 

[JTK]

Sorry you have to go through this. Like everyone else, I wish there was a solution. I don't live too far away from you in the outskirts of Buffalo. It's far enough out that I've never locked our garage, shed and cars.

 

[Oillover]

How about the South African flame thrower security system? World class automotive security system

This place (Canada) is starting to resemble South Africa a little more each day.

 

[ripcord]

Sorry you have to go through this. Like everyone else, I wish there was a solution. I don't live too far away from you in the outskirts of Buffalo. It's far enough out that I've never locked our garage, shed and cars.

Be right over. I might be kinda late. My pawn broker called and said he was missing me, LOL.

I'm in the same situation as you. Far enough away that I don't lock things around our place. Never had a problem, but it might be just dumb luck.

 

[OVERKILL]

Be right over. I might be kinda late. My pawn broker called and said he was missing me, LOL.

I'm in the same situation as you. Far enough away that I don't lock things around our place. Never had a problem, but it might be just dumb luck.

Used to be that way around here. I grew up just about two blocks over from where I live currently, used to bike from dawn to dusk, roam the streets downtown without a care in the world, about the only thing you might see would be the single notorious wino that everybody knew was harmless. Of course this was also back in the days when we had an active institution for mental health up adjacent to the hospital. The downtown was vibrant and thriving, the parks were clean (you weren't tripping over needles) and free of human excrement.

 

[Delta]

Used to be that way around here. I grew up just about two blocks over from where I live currently, used to bike from dawn to dusk, roam the streets downtown without a care in the world, about the only thing you might see would be the single notorious wino that everybody knew was harmless. Of course this was also back in the days when we had an active institution for mental health up adjacent to the hospital. The downtown was vibrant and thriving, the parks were clean (you weren't tripping over needles) and free of human excrement.

Is it really getting that bad up there? I would have not thought it would be like that up that way.

 

[SeaJay]

More enforcement and longer jail times for property crimes would help. Rehab stints for the offenders, not so much IMO.

 

[ripcord]

Used to be that way around here. I grew up just about two blocks over from where I live currently, used to bike from dawn to dusk, roam the streets downtown without a care in the world, about the only thing you might see would be the single notorious wino that everybody knew was harmless. Of course this was also back in the days when we had an active institution for mental health up adjacent to the hospital. The downtown was vibrant and thriving, the parks were clean (you weren't tripping over needles) and free of human excrement.

One wonders what changed to cause this societal decline? (Oops, can't say "societal decline", that's a whole lot of different "-ists")

 

[tbm5690]

I'm assuming you don't have the space to build a garage? I vowed to never own a home that can't house my vehicles. Kids vehicles when they get older might not go inside, but I won't entertain less garage stalls than 3 on the next house.

 

[OVERKILL]

Is it really getting that bad up there? I would have not thought it would be like that up that way.

Yes. The company I works for owns considerable real estate in the downtown and we have cameras (I'm actually in the process of overhauling the surveillance systems right now) on these buildings and I've had to retrieve footage for the police on countless occasions. It is not unusual for our building managers to have to clean-up human excrement in stairwells and we have had a tenant request controlled access to their building now because they do not feel safe.

We had an elderly man get assaulted recently on his way into a Home Hardware store, which he decided to take a walk through because he was early for his medical appointment. He suffered a considerable head wound. This was completely unprovoked, one of our "most vulnerable" (as the advocates like to call them) high on some illicit substance just went ape on him.

We recently had a local addict, and known schizophrenic of notoriety who is infected with the entire hepatitis alphabet, go on a rampage in the middle of the day in the one medical building. He ripped a thermostat off the wall and managed to cut himself, and then, being the human biohazard that he is, proceed to wipe his blood all over the walls.

But the advocates will dismiss drawing attention to any of this as "fear mongering" and a "lack of compassion".

 

[ripcord]

Yes. The company I works for owns considerable real estate in the downtown and we have cameras (I'm actually in the process of overhauling the surveillance systems right now) on these buildings and I've had to retrieve footage for the police on countless occasions. It is not unusual for our building managers to have to clean-up human excrement in stairwells and we have had a tenant request controlled access to their building now because they do not feel safe.

We had an elderly man get assaulted recently on his way into a Home Hardware store, which he decided to take a walk through because he was early for his medical appointment. He suffered a considerable head wound. This was completely unprovoked, one of our "most vulnerable" (as the advocates like to call them) high on some illicit substance just went ape on him.

We recently had a local addict, and known schizophrenic of notoriety who is infected with the entire hepatitis alphabet, go on a rampage in the middle of the day in the one medical building. He ripped a thermostat off the wall and managed to cut himself, and then, being the human biohazard that he is, proceed to wipe his blood all over the walls.

But the advocates will dismiss drawing attention to any of this as "fear mongering" and a "lack of compassion".

I heard a new phrase recently that seems to fit. "Toxic empathy."

 

[OVERKILL]

More enforcement and longer jail times for property crimes would help. Rehab stints for the offenders, not so much IMO.

I think REAL rehabilitation (read: inpatient, extended court-mandated stays with a gradual reintegration process where the person is followed by a healthcare worker) is a better choice than incarceration for most of these folks. Now, their dealers? They should be getting a decade-long stay in prison.

 

[KrisZ]

Locally, I don't find that the case here. I think in the upper levels of crime we might find a larger percentage of second generation immigrants in the larger cities, running things, but they sure aren't the ones poking around cars at night. There are mostly white poor people doing this stuff where Overkill lives, and in my area, its 99% white folks both living and doing drugs and small crimes.
We do have lots of darker skin recent immigrants here, but they are a select motivated group who wanted a better life in Canada and are working hard doing lots of jobs where you can't be drunk, smell, or look homeless, or have tattoos on your face.... I think they may out compete marginal white/multi generation Canadian's as employers know these folks are here to work and generally don't drink or do drugs at all, which I don't think helps the 75 IQ white guy find a job, but I won't blame the immigrant that is here for that. I do think we overdid immigration numbers though.

I'm not necessarily pro or anti immigration, but until you can show any proof of rates of crime, by new Canadians, I don't think they are the problem.

Local to me, which is Oakville and Brampton area is the opposite, but they tend to do more serious crimes, not just petty thefts.

 

[OVERKILL]

One wonders what changed to cause this societal decline? (Oops, can't say "societal decline", that's a whole lot of different "-ists")

We abandoned the commitment to safety and comfort for society to capitulate to the demands of activists that argued that the treatment of individuals that threatened that safety and comfort was unacceptable and that institutional care was inhumane. Inpatient became outpatient, asylums were torn down and the people liberated from these institutions were offloaded onto their friends and family, who, totally unequipped to care for these people meant that most of them ultimately ended up on the street, often chasing drugs and resorting to theft to feed their habits (and themselves).

Now, the same people that advocated for this mess are blaming us for reacting to it and telling us that the millions we are dumping into not fixing it just isn't enough and we need to just throw more money at it, give them free drugs, needles and a place to trash, err, I mean "sleep" and that putting them back in institutions, which we all know worked, somehow isn't the right solution.

 

[OVERKILL]

I heard a new phrase recently that seems to fit. "Toxic empathy."

I love Gad Saad's term for it: Suicidal Empathy, which encapsulates everything wrong with our total capitulation to people driven by nothing but pure emotion, incapable of pragmatic and critical thought.

 

[OVERKILL]

Local to me, which is Oakville and Brampton area is the opposite, but they tend to do more serious crimes, not just petty thefts.

Yes, things are different in the GTA, there's a LOT of gang crime, which, as you note, is primarily non-whites. The vehicle theft rings are a prime example of that, which, and I apologize for the tangent, is yet another example of our completely dysfunctional system, where the police were telling people to leave their keys by the front door so that they didn't get into confrontations with the home invaders, since people were getting hurt or killed. It's a circus of stupid!

 

[ripcord]

We abandoned the commitment to safety and comfort for society to capitulate to the demands of activists that argued that the treatment of individuals that threatened that safety and comfort was unacceptable and that institutional care was inhumane. Inpatient became outpatient, asylums were torn down and the people liberated from these institutions were offloaded onto their friends and family, who, totally unequipped to care for these people meant that most of them ultimately ended up on the street, often chasing drugs and resorting to theft to feed their habits (and themselves).

Now, the same people that advocated for this mess are blaming us for reacting to it and telling us that the millions we are dumping into not fixing it just isn't enough and we need to just throw more money at it, give them free drugs, needles and a place to trash, err, I mean "sleep" and that putting them back in institutions, which we all know worked, somehow isn't the right solution.

You are very correct, but I don't think that fully explains the problems, though. I think there's also been much too much "follow your heart" type of moral training the past few generations and not enough "do your duty." (Purposefully not mentioning religious concepts.)

 

[OVERKILL]

I'm assuming you don't have the space to build a garage? I vowed to never own a home that can't house my vehicles. Kids vehicles when they get older might not go inside, but I won't entertain less garage stalls than 3 on the next house.

I have a garage, but since we live in a century home, the "garage" is more of a carriage house. We store our ATV's, lawn equipment...etc in it. I used to park the M5 in it for the winter, but it's not practical as a daily use facility unless I tore most of it down and rebuilt it. Also, my driveway is single-wide and we have two vehicles, which makes it more complicated still.