500 miles on the Ody. 100% oil life. Cool!
Methinks Honda OLM not linear....
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And there was much chanting: "Change the oil! Change the oil! Change the oil!"
No - the dealer said it is mandatory to change the break-in oil at 3500 miles (
) I will do this.
Actually the 5000 miles is for 4 cylinders.
Actually the 5000 miles is for 4 cylinders.
Pablo, I have a 2006 Honda Ridgeline which may have almost the same engine as the ODY - V6 VETC, exxcept for torque. If so, I bet the OLM is about the same too. My dealer put a sticker on the truck that said change oil at 3750. However, the owner's manual says to go by the OLM for all oil changes, including factory fill.
I know the reasons the dealer might want to have you come in for earlier changes and I also know Honda might want to show lower maintenance cost to the customer with extended changes but I am inclined to believe Honda over the dealer on this one.
My OLM went to just over 5900 miles when the service due light came on (at 15% oil life expectancy). People at the Ridgeline forum have had this notice first appear at various mileages, from 5000 to 7000 miles. That tells me the OLM is doing the job of taking in individual habits and conditions rather than being just a glorified idiot light. OLMs have proven themselves to be very good indicators and tools for OCI. A couple UOAs by Ridgeline owners have shown the service due notice came on at about the right time, per TBN and other factors.
You will probably not follow the OLM because Amsoil is a synthetic and can go much longer than even a reading of "zero" on the oil life expectancy (which is calibrated on the Honda OLM for dino oil).
In any event, dump the break-in oil when you want but for most people 3500 miles might be premature - if you believe Honda that is.
I know the reasons the dealer might want to have you come in for earlier changes and I also know Honda might want to show lower maintenance cost to the customer with extended changes but I am inclined to believe Honda over the dealer on this one.
My OLM went to just over 5900 miles when the service due light came on (at 15% oil life expectancy). People at the Ridgeline forum have had this notice first appear at various mileages, from 5000 to 7000 miles. That tells me the OLM is doing the job of taking in individual habits and conditions rather than being just a glorified idiot light. OLMs have proven themselves to be very good indicators and tools for OCI. A couple UOAs by Ridgeline owners have shown the service due notice came on at about the right time, per TBN and other factors.
You will probably not follow the OLM because Amsoil is a synthetic and can go much longer than even a reading of "zero" on the oil life expectancy (which is calibrated on the Honda OLM for dino oil).
In any event, dump the break-in oil when you want but for most people 3500 miles might be premature - if you believe Honda that is.
You going to put in some of that 35,000 mile/1-Year Amsoil when you change it? Heck, then you can just ignore that OLM and change it once a year. That is, unless you drive more than 35,000 miles per year.
Pablo,
I've watched the OLM in my 05 Odyssey over these first 20K miles ... there is no way it is linear.
It does seem to only count off in 10% increments at least while up above 30% which is where I was when I did not reset my OLM once. (i.e. I had dropped my oil once and was about to drop the oil again and my OLM was only at 30%)(those where 3.5k OCIs btw)
I have run off 2k miles in two days and the OLM did not even move.
I believe I had mentioned that it would be cool if Honda owners with an OLM could perhaps keep track of this behavior and report back ... but its no big whoop, especially since most will not follow the OLM and follow an OCI of their comfort.
I've watched the OLM in my 05 Odyssey over these first 20K miles ... there is no way it is linear.
It does seem to only count off in 10% increments at least while up above 30% which is where I was when I did not reset my OLM once. (i.e. I had dropped my oil once and was about to drop the oil again and my OLM was only at 30%)(those where 3.5k OCIs btw)
I have run off 2k miles in two days and the OLM did not even move.
I believe I had mentioned that it would be cool if Honda owners with an OLM could perhaps keep track of this behavior and report back ... but its no big whoop, especially since most will not follow the OLM and follow an OCI of their comfort.
What Honda vehicles have an OLM?
How is it accessed?
I don't think there's one on our '05 Accord and I don't think the manual mentions it.
We've got almost 8,000 miles on it and the "maintenance required" light has never come on.
How is it accessed?
I don't think there's one on our '05 Accord and I don't think the manual mentions it.
We've got almost 8,000 miles on it and the "maintenance required" light has never come on.
Everyone,
For what it is worth:
My OLM just clicked down to 70%
Miles on oil = 2199
On these miles only one 400 mile trip, the rest has been all city/town ( and we have nice hills btw ) We are also looking at about ONE month on this oil... as I changed it right before Christmas and that 400 mile trip I mentioned.
Martyi, Question for you: How long did it take you to get to 5900 miles?
For what it is worth:
My OLM just clicked down to 70%
Miles on oil = 2199
On these miles only one 400 mile trip, the rest has been all city/town ( and we have nice hills btw ) We are also looking at about ONE month on this oil... as I changed it right before Christmas and that 400 mile trip I mentioned.
Martyi, Question for you: How long did it take you to get to 5900 miles?
HondaMan - I bought the Ridgeline in mid May and it hit 5919 miles a couple weeks ago. That is when the OLM first showed 15% oil life expectancy and that is the percentage when the sevice due notice comes on (at least that is the case on my Ridgeline truck). As the low miles indicate, I am in the country and I do mostly short trips. I retired 10 years ago and I just don't drive as much or as far as I use to.
I changed the oil at 6008 miles although I could have gone a bit further - down to "0%" before the past due notice came up. I think at that point all sorts of strange things happen and mileage is clicked off backwards, ie, subtracted. I suppose I could have gone several hundred more miles before I got to zero but I will always change oil when the OLM first indicates service is due. As my mileage indicates, it looks like that will be every 5000-6000 miles or about every six to eight months.
The thing is that early on, the OLM does not move much, as to be expected since it assumes the oil is new and is calibrated around the ZDP depletion estimates (if it is at all like GMs monitor). When the monitor shows 70%, for example, you have somewhere between 60% and 70% oil life expectancy, and so on and so forth down to the service due notices.
However, as the oil "ages", the penalty given to it by algorithms for things such as short trips, temp readings, engine revs and load, becomes greater by a factor of two - at least that is what I am seeing. I say that because I had 40% oil life expectancy showing at 5000 miles; not quite a 1000 miles later and it is all the way down at 15%. It reminds me of a fuel tank that seems to never move off of full and then hits empty in no time at all.
So expect the monitor to fall much quicker after 50% than it did during the first half of oil life. But this makes sense. And it tells me these OLMs are pretty accurate and really do take into account a lot of important factors. Having said that, I still plan on double checking the OLM with periodic UOAs just waiting for this contraption to lie to me!!
I changed the oil at 6008 miles although I could have gone a bit further - down to "0%" before the past due notice came up. I think at that point all sorts of strange things happen and mileage is clicked off backwards, ie, subtracted. I suppose I could have gone several hundred more miles before I got to zero but I will always change oil when the OLM first indicates service is due. As my mileage indicates, it looks like that will be every 5000-6000 miles or about every six to eight months.
The thing is that early on, the OLM does not move much, as to be expected since it assumes the oil is new and is calibrated around the ZDP depletion estimates (if it is at all like GMs monitor). When the monitor shows 70%, for example, you have somewhere between 60% and 70% oil life expectancy, and so on and so forth down to the service due notices.
However, as the oil "ages", the penalty given to it by algorithms for things such as short trips, temp readings, engine revs and load, becomes greater by a factor of two - at least that is what I am seeing. I say that because I had 40% oil life expectancy showing at 5000 miles; not quite a 1000 miles later and it is all the way down at 15%. It reminds me of a fuel tank that seems to never move off of full and then hits empty in no time at all.
So expect the monitor to fall much quicker after 50% than it did during the first half of oil life. But this makes sense. And it tells me these OLMs are pretty accurate and really do take into account a lot of important factors. Having said that, I still plan on double checking the OLM with periodic UOAs just waiting for this contraption to lie to me!!
thooks - I'm not sure. I thought all 05's have it but, maybe not certain cars. Ody's had it in 05 and now 06 - maybe just all 06. There are many Honda experts here, so someone should chime in.
Ours is still sitting there at 100%. I learned somethng from this thread, I thought it would count down 99-98-97....
silly me!
Ours is still sitting there at 100%. I learned somethng from this thread, I thought it would count down 99-98-97....
I have the OLM on my Acura TL and I really don't pay any attention to it. In my opinion it is a reminder for the non-BITOG educated person to change their oil. I've seen many people just forget, so this indicator reminds them. In addition I've read all the debate about how good the OLM is and if it was really good, it would 'know' I've changed the oil and reset itself. It doesn't have any idea if the oil is new, so I really don't give it alot of weight in my decisions to change the oil. I use the knowledge I've gained in the UOA's. Just my opinion.
martyi,
Thanks for the info regarding your drop from 40% to 15% within the span of 1k miles.
Makes good sense given the time vs. mileage on your truck. Took you awhile to put on those miles huh?
Did you UOA that run btw?
I saw you post a UOA of another Honda, but I don't remember seeing one that was yours???
Thanks for the info regarding your drop from 40% to 15% within the span of 1k miles.
Makes good sense given the time vs. mileage on your truck. Took you awhile to put on those miles huh?
Did you UOA that run btw?
I saw you post a UOA of another Honda, but I don't remember seeing one that was yours???
No HondaMan, I did not do a UOA on that run because it was the factory fill. I have received two UOAs (Blackstone) from a guy at the Ridgeline forum I frequent and I placed the results in the UOA section here, the one you are probably thinking of was placed there just the other day.
I will do a UOA on my current run of oil which replaced the factory fill. I replaced it with Havoline 5w20 (and I use FP60/LC20). I will probably wait until I change oil again rather than take it in mid-stream. That means another six to eight months from now - a long time. That is why I post other people's UOAs.
I will do a UOA on my current run of oil which replaced the factory fill. I replaced it with Havoline 5w20 (and I use FP60/LC20). I will probably wait until I change oil again rather than take it in mid-stream. That means another six to eight months from now - a long time. That is why I post other people's UOAs.
I'm one of the "bitog educated" ones I guess, but if you keep quality oil in it, M1 in my case, how could you go wrong relying on the OLM? You'll have full factory back up if you stay within those spec's and change it accordingly. That's my game plan with the new 06 Accord. I've read too many things on this board to prove that the standard 3K, 3 month oil change frequency that was brow beat into us by oil companies and our fore fathers, should become a distant memory. The OLM is located on the odometer, push it a couple of times and you'll see a XX% on the right, that tells you what percentage of oil life you have left.
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