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Didn't we ask @NashNative about this before?
Mazda 3 Mahle [ 2.75 in tall, chinese] filter cut open with Pics. Switch to a Hyundai filter?
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Not sure ... maybe he can chime in and give some insight, like at what parameters this "flow spec" is measured at.
All I can say is what I have been told. From what I have been told, they try to match the specs of what Ford wants for that particular filter, whether it is oil, air or cabin air filters. Also, they are not trying to match or be like other filter manufacturers. My car is an example of that, there are many oil filters out there that will fit my car, a lot of them are wrong, however. I have no idea what the difference is, but for some reason the 2025 Toyota A25A-FKS Japan built engine's oil filter is somehow different than the previous A25A-FKS engines. I wanted to use a Mobil1 or a Wix XP and they were not listed; they were listed for previous years but not 2025. I called Wix, Baldwin and Toyota about this. And Wix said we don't make a Wix XP oil filter for your car. I told the guy I could get a Wix XP that will fit my engine for the same 2.5 L Toyota engine, just an earlier model, and the guy said don't do it, it would be a mistake. Anyhow, I ended up using the Baldwin B33 because it does work, and they make great quality, OEM specification filters. I would use the actual Toyota filter, but I don't like the way their oil bypass is designed. Anyhow, for some reason Bitog doesn't like Baldwin filters. I do like them, I use them, and their filters are built like miniature battle tanks compared to most other manufactures filters of the same application. They are USA owned, and USA manufactured and sold all over the world. I defend them and promote them because I know them. I used to haul truckloads of steel into their manufacturing plants. I was never on a beer drinking basis with them, but I dealt with many of them doing my business. Good people that make a good product.
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But their filter isn't just a cross for your car's part number, it's a cross for a GM and John Deere part number as well. And this goes for the other part #'s as well.
The Toyota part number that crosses to the Baldwin B33 also crosses to the Donaldson and Fleetguard filters I gave you, which cross to a HUGE list of competitor applications.
I get all that, I don't have a good answer. Here is example of what I ran into trying to find a so called "better" filter for my new Toyota Rav4. You notice, Wix has no XP filter for my 2025, yet earlier models of the same engine do offer the XP that will actually fit my 2025. I asked the Wix tech guy about this, and he said don't do it. it will be a mistake. The Toyota guy told me they are different than the previous 2.5L engines. I called Baldwin tech, they did have a filter for it, the B33. I asked him why I couldn't find a high efficiency filter for it anywhere, and he said it was because of the way Toyota wants the filter to work. Anyhow, last I checked, Purolator doesn't have a Boss filter for it and neither does Bosch. One person that was supposed to be educated and smart, said it is related to flow rate. I have no clue if he knew what he was talking about. Anyhow here is a link to the Wix Filter page for my car. Notice, they have no Wix XP listed.
https://www.wixfilters.com/en-us/filter-finder.html
Well, that didn't work. It is a 2025 Toyota Rav4 with the 2.5 L engine if you care to look it up and see what I mean.
I run Hyundai spec filters on my daughters 2013 2.0 Skyactiv. It should get the 6607, but I use my larger Hyundai speced 9688 readily available on my shelf now for 4 years on the Mazda 3, on the old Fram Ultras, Titaniums, and a couple of Endurance before First Brands/Fram single handedly ruined their brand by selling sub-standard junk. I now am using CarQuest Premiums. I will not ever use an OEM Hyundai filter ( not impressed, by the filtering micron #s and surely can't be swayed by simply a heavy filter "means good filter" when it had sub-standard filtering in my opinion, warranty be darned.)
Hyundai tried the warranty denial on my Fram Ultra on me (2013 Hyundai Elantra GT toasted engine under warranty,and I said "Big Sorry ". Hyundai has almost no creds with 500,000+++ toasted engines???? world wide by their own " 14 years REPETITIVE horrid use of design/metallurgy choice. They would need some pretty tall evidence in a court case as they have a horrid self induce massive design/metallurgy choice problem that is quite evident. So I don't fear a specious Hyundai motor warranty denial from a oil filter.
I must add here, if you are under warranty, ANY after market oil filter MUST be the oil filter # meant for your car to keep warranty. If it is a different # they can very easily deny your warranty. After warranty I myself have ZERO issues using a Hyundai #ed filter on a Mazda as long as it is NOT an OEM Hyundai/Kia filter that will only be on a Hyundai/ Kia I own, ONCE and never again after that, and never on another car like the Mazda unless it is a $1,000 beater, then and only then would I put an OEM Hyundai/Kia filter on anything.
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Your Baldwin B33 seems to be around the same efficiency as a Wix XP would be if they did made one for your Rav4. Same with the Purolator Boss if they made one to fit your Rav4 ... an efficiency of around 50% @ 20 microns.
And what was the actual reason the Wix tech gave on why that would be a mistake?
Fram has 4 high efficiency filters (Endurance, Titanium, Ultra and Tough Guard) that are specified for you 2025 Rav4. Probably most of the PGI made filters are specified too. They will all work fine with no issues. Thousands of Rav4s are probably running them. You've been fed misconceptions about what "Toyota wants" by these filter "Techs".
That appears to be true, however Wix or Purolator (same company) still don't offer their top filters, though they offer their top filters for the same 2.5L engine in earlier models. They won't say why, and God knows they like to sell filters. Fram has their Ultimate filter available now. Bosch has no oil filters available at all for the 2025 model but has oil filters for the same engine in earlier models. Back when I went through all this before, Fram didn't have their Ultra listed, they just offered a couple of their shorter life span filters, but not their Ultimate. There must be a reason, it must be a secret. I am happy with my Baldwins. If sifting out the bird nests and playground pebbles is good enough for Toyota, it is good enough for me. They build OEM spec filters. That is what they do. Something is different about the 2025 engines, who knows.You've been fed misconceptions about what "Toyota wants" by these filter "Techs".
Wix and Purolator are under Mann+Hummel now. Any Wix or Purolator that crosses over to a Fram 4967 will work. Exactly which engine is in your Rav4? Purolator shows filters for the 2025 Rav4 with the 2.5L 4-cylinder (see below).
Here are all the oil filters that cross-over to a Fram PH4967. The Purolator PL1141 is in that list. And notice the LX4967 ends in 4967 like all the Frams for that engine. The gold Purolator 20K is a Walmart exclusive, so it has a special Purolator part number, mirroring the Fram filter numbers.
https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Fram/PH4967
Well, they are coming around. Back when I started this process Purolator only offered their basic white one pictured here, now they offer two. Wix still only offers their basic white one. You probably noticed, neither Purolator or Wix offer their Top filters yet, The Boss and the XP. The question is why? They offer the Boss and the XP on the same engine in earlier models. Mobil doesn't have a Mobil 1 filter for the 2025 but do have it for the 2024. But according to Mobil tech they say don't use the 2024 filter on the 2025. Nobody seems to know or say why. Once a guy mentioned flow rate, I have no idea if he knew what he was talking about or not. Try my Rav4 which is a 2025 Rav4 2.5L then a 2024 Rav4. Check it out:
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/oil-filters
There search also showed the basic Purolator white can too, I just didn't snip the screen shot. I wouldn't call the Wix XP or the Purolator Boss "top tier" oil filters ... both have horrible efficiency, therefore not "top tier" in my book.
The only reason the Mobil tech said that is because he can't find your 2025 Rav4 in his look-up tool, just like you can't. If the 2024 Rav4 uses the same Fram and Purolator filters as the 2025 Rav4, then then any filter listed for the 2024 is going to also work on the 2025, even if Mobil doesn't show it for a 2025 in their look-up tool.
The 2024 Rav4 look-up on Mobil's website shows the M1-103A, which crosses over to the Fram 4967 models. I looks like they just haven't updated their look-up tool yet, or failed to for some reason. The bottom line from what I'm seeing is that the 2024 and 2025 Rav4s use the same oil filter.
They have had plenty of time to get what they consider their top filters listed. There must be some kind of catch. Well, I am sure there are lots of 2024 "top line" filters running around being used on 2025 Toyotas, you are obviously right about that. And I think, but don't know for sure that the 2024 Toyota OEM filter is the same as their 2025. Well, I still like my Baldwins. They are a well-built USA manufactured filter that is trusted all over the world protecting muti-million-dollar equipment in some cases. They are no slouches. They just are not into filtering bacteria out of oil, unless the customer wants it, then they will try. They make the kind of filters like you are talking about for certain applications. But they make one and only one filter for my Toyota, if you want something different, that's ok. You will have to go see Fram.
Yeah, I see that. I still have a bunch of Baldwins to use up first. I would like to run the Mobil 1 again someday. Do you know who makes the Mobil 1 filter these days?
When you do a Rav4 lookup for both a 2024 and 2025, some filter lookup tools list the same filter models for both years ... so nothing has changed. Just because someone like Mobil doesn't show a filter at all for a 2025 Rav4 doesn't mean it's different than for a 2024 Rav4.
Highline Warren now ... it use to be Mann+Hummel but seems Mobil jumped ship on M+H maybe due to quality issues. I called Highline Warren and they told me the new Mobil 1 filter is rated at 99% @ 20 microns, which is better than the M+H built ones that were 99% @ 30 microns I believe. There's a bunch of threads in this forum about the new Mobil 1 oil filters. Search around for them.
Well, this has been quite a filter trip, I believe you got me straightened out. I still say Baldwin make good quality filters for what they do, OEM. They are not in the efficiency race, they even say that.
Besides that, I have a bunch of Baldwins I need to use up! LOL!
