Cut Open - AC Delco PF47E
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...I wonder how many Fram hating GM owners are running E-cores while scoffing to their buddies about how bad Frams are with paper endcaps.....
As Fram now likes to proudly claim all Champ made filters and the being leading supplier of OEM filters, they take ownership of both.
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
...I wonder how many Fram hating GM owners are running E-cores while scoffing to their buddies about how bad Frams are with paper endcaps.....
As Fram now likes to proudly claim all Champ made filters and the being leading supplier of OEM filters, they take ownership of both.
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
While it's possible that the Corvette(s) had its oil changed prior to C&D taking possession, every new GM vehicle that I've serviced has come with a GM oil filter, not AC Delco. I don't know who makes these filters, but they feel very study and solid. Certainly not e-core..
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
While it's possible that the Corvette(s) had its oil changed prior to C&D taking possession, every new GM vehicle that I've serviced has come with a GM oil filter, not AC Delco. I don't know who makes these filters, but they feel very study and solid. Certainly not e-core..
Originally Posted By: chainblu
Originally Posted By: sayjac
.......Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
While it's possible that the Corvette(s) had its oil changed prior to C&D taking possession, every new GM vehicle that I've serviced has come with a GM oil filter, not AC Delco. I don't know who makes these filters, but they feel very sturdy
Member car51 not long ago posted pics of a 'GM Factory' PF-63 'ACDelco' linked which has the ACDelco logo on the label.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...%29#Post3724380
It's possible that some other GM Factory OEM oil filter applications don't have the ACDelco logo on the can. However, that being the case like the ACDelco over the counter retail filters I would 'speculate' they too are made by Champ/(fram).
As for the factory filters on the failed C&D Corvette engine being ecores (or not), that has been speculation by several other members on some recent ecore threads here. Thus the point of it would be nice to see a definitive answer to that 'question/specualtion'. No conclusion was reached saying was/is an ecore. Clearly the factory ACDelco linked is not an ecore, but that is one application from a different model and year.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
.......Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
While it's possible that the Corvette(s) had its oil changed prior to C&D taking possession, every new GM vehicle that I've serviced has come with a GM oil filter, not AC Delco. I don't know who makes these filters, but they feel very sturdy
Member car51 not long ago posted pics of a 'GM Factory' PF-63 'ACDelco' linked which has the ACDelco logo on the label.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...%29#Post3724380
It's possible that some other GM Factory OEM oil filter applications don't have the ACDelco logo on the can. However, that being the case like the ACDelco over the counter retail filters I would 'speculate' they too are made by Champ/(fram).
As for the factory filters on the failed C&D Corvette engine being ecores (or not), that has been speculation by several other members on some recent ecore threads here. Thus the point of it would be nice to see a definitive answer to that 'question/specualtion'. No conclusion was reached saying was/is an ecore. Clearly the factory ACDelco linked is not an ecore, but that is one application from a different model and year.
That thing is a joke. Reminds me of a twisted donut.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
That thing is a joke. Reminds me of a twisted donut.
LOL!
Where's the coffee to go with it, eh?
~ Triton
That thing is a joke. Reminds me of a twisted donut.
LOL!
Where's the coffee to go with it, eh?
~ Triton
Originally Posted By: Run
I just don't trust the Ecore filters with those weak endcaps. The farm orange cans are glued solid. You would destroy the media trying to peel those.
that is my experience as well. When i was trying to roll out the media on my previous orange can i kept tearing the media trying to bust the gle off of the seams. Its very sturdy.
I just don't trust the Ecore filters with those weak endcaps. The farm orange cans are glued solid. You would destroy the media trying to peel those.
that is my experience as well. When i was trying to roll out the media on my previous orange can i kept tearing the media trying to bust the gle off of the seams. Its very sturdy.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
...I wonder how many Fram hating GM owners are running E-cores while scoffing to their buddies about how bad Frams are with paper endcaps.....
As Fram now likes to proudly claim all Champ made filters and the being leading supplier of OEM filters, they take ownership of both.
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
Nice theory or possibility!
Quote:
...I wonder how many Fram hating GM owners are running E-cores while scoffing to their buddies about how bad Frams are with paper endcaps.....
As Fram now likes to proudly claim all Champ made filters and the being leading supplier of OEM filters, they take ownership of both.
Be nice to know positively if the OEM filter used on the failed C&D Corvette engines were ecores. Haven't seen it published definitely one way or the other, only that GM claimed they were due to a filter failure of some sort. In any case, the ACDelco would be a Champ made filters under the Fram banner.
Nice theory or possibility!
I did a cut-open of the PF48E and regular CHAMP e-core. I found the ecores to be just fine in both circumstances. I did take note that for the PF48 (a filter based bypass application) GM spec'd a traditional button bypass, they didn't rely on CHAMP's combo bypass valve.
Here is the link (it's another BITOG page)
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3611635/1
Here is the link (it's another BITOG page)
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3611635/1
I think it looks fine, for what it is. I've cut open a few that were used and I had no issues with how they held up at all. Had one on the Firebird when I purchased it and it was on the vehicle for almost a year and was still working just fine.
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