Mazda 3 Mahle [ 2.75 in tall, chinese] filter cut open with Pics. Switch to a Hyundai filter?

[WobblyElvis]

9,200 miles on a filter from a recently purchased 2018 Mazda CX3 2.0 liter sky active engine. Oil was used about 7,500 miles, was dark but not gritty and passed the finger rub test. Next oil change intervals will not be quite so long. The media had an area of 65 square inches, was dark, but I found almost no carbon in the pleats and no metal bits. I may run a Hyundai filter next time for two OCIs as they have more than twice the filter media when compared to this peanut sized filter. I like the coil spring type of bypass valve.

Sorry for picture lighting/quality and the filter was cut open with an angle grinder so there is some debris in the pics that are not representative of the filters true condition.

Anyone use a OEM Hyundai filter on a Mazda? Looks as though it should work.

 

[Danno]

Looks nasty to me. If it was my car, OCI at 5,000 miles or 8k kms.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I like the coil spring type of bypass valve.

The loose coil spring is not for the bypass valve if that's what you're referring to. The bypass valve also has a coil spring, but it's captured and not loose. Most all bypass valves use a coil spring in some configuration.

 

[WobblyElvis]

Correct! I was actually thinking that I liked how well the bypass valve appears to seal. Overall not a bad filter but I'm planning on using a much bigger filter [Hyundai]. There appears to be room and it has much more filter media. The standard Mazda size filter is tiny.

 

[dwendt44]

If I'm not mistaken, a Fram 7317 is the oversize for Mazda engines.
I use the better grade Fram.

My 2¢

 

[Mainia]

Use to use my Hyundai Fram Ultras/Titanium's on my daughters 2013 Mazda 3 all the time. Now the Mazda and Hyundai will get a Hyundai # Carquest Premium filter since I dropped Fram because of the manufacturing flaws it now has. I will never run a Hyundai OEM filter other then the first 500 miles to see if I drives off the lot and see the new motor is still running ok. Those OEM Hyundai/Kia filter has bad filtering spec. I will never run them, can’t get them off fast enough.

 

[WobblyElvis]

Those OEM Hyundai/Kia filter has bad filtering spec.

I'd like to see the bad filtering spec, Source?

 

[Mainia]

I'd like to see the bad filtering spec, Source?

Hyundai own site, they had the specs posted it was brought up on Hyundai forums and then they just pulled the data when it became an issue. This was years ago 2018-19, but it is Hyundai, and they are the world's leader on "putting their head in the sand". Just off the top of my head, and take this with a grain of salt it was somewhere 95% at 50u +. I kind of remember seeing 95% or lower because then I started researching other filters and Hyundai was the lowest I could find, now they could of changed it.............but it's Hyundai, so I highly doubt it. Search this site, it has been brought up many times.

So many better filters to use that are far far better. And as far as warranty, I had a Fram Ultra on a 2013 Hyundai with 14,000 miles that blow an engine and they tried to deny the warranty (default move by Hyundai/Kia) because of the Fram and I said you have to honor the warranty by law in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and the Fram is the right # for the car. They said we will have to bring it up with Hyundai and after that statement, later that day I got a call they were replacing the motor. The filter issue and warranty is so passe, they know it is not the issue, they have millions of case study's of failed engines on their heavy, wonderfully built, crappy filtering filters.

 

[haggler]

Hyundai own site, they had the specs posted it was brought up on Hyundai forums and then they just pulled the data when it became an issue. This was years ago 2018-19, but it is Hyundai, and they are the world's leader on "putting their head in the sand". Just off the top of my head, and take this with a grain of salt it was somewhere 95% at 50u +. I kind of remember seeing 95% or lower because then I started researching other filters and Hyundai was the lowest I could find, now they could of changed it.............but it's Hyundai, so I highly doubt it. Search this site, it has been brought up many times.

So many better filters to use that are far far better. And as far as warranty, I had a Fram Ultra on a 2013 Hyundai with 14,000 miles that blow an engine and they tried to deny the warranty (default move by Hyundai/Kia) because of the Fram and I said you have to honor the warranty by law in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and the Fram is the right # for the car. They said we will have to bring it up with Hyundai and after that statement, later that day I got a call they were replacing the motor. The filter issue and warranty is so passe, they know it is not the issue, they have millions of case study's of failed engines on their heavy, wonderfully built, crappy filtering filters.

Yes the filtering is probably equivalent to other OEM, but the quality of the H/k 04/05 can filter is great. The only real benefit to using OEM filters is saving you hassle. In your case it went boom but it wasn't because of the filter. If it was, then it would've been good luck with dealing with Fram. In either case it's less of a headache.

To the OP, the media quality matters more than surface area. OEM filters aren't know for their efficiency or for extended interval. I would definitely NOT run it for two OCI. If you want to do that use another brand that advertises mileage. OEM filters are not designed for extended interval.

 

[WobblyElvis]

In my experience OEM filters are consistently of average quality or better. Many manufactures [OEM] spec a filter change every second oil change. My son's Honda is one and my old Dodge same thing. If you read the Fram warranty you will find they do not backup their 20,000 mile or so filters past the vehicle manufacturers maintenance schedule. Carefully reading the package information you will see the words "up to" beside any mileage claim and an asterisk taking you to more detailed and disappointing information.

As for the Hyundai oil filter efficiency specifications, they seem to ghost. Everyone is free to do as they like with their own vehicles. I may run one of these Hyundai filters for 2 X OCIs as it appears very well built and at least twice as big as the factory spec'd filter.

Many people here like to use an over sized filter. I'm still looking for someone who has used a Hyundai filter on a Mazda.

 

[haggler]

I recall h/k efficiency somewhere around 95% at 50 micron more or less. As you said Honda goes two OCI for filter change so fram or whoever must warranty it to that interval (15-20k?). I guess I don't see the point of running an oversized OEM filter of the same poor efficiency when it sounds like your not concerned with warranty anyway and there are higher efficiency options for two OCI filter interval.

 

[mazda2.5]

Filters that fit Honda are the taller version of Mazda filters. Don't use Hyundai ones. Their gaskets don't fit well. Fram 7317 is the correct taller version.

 

[ZeeOSix]

And as far as warranty, I had a Fram Ultra on a 2013 Hyundai with 14,000 miles that blow an engine and they tried to deny the warranty (default move by Hyundai/Kia) because of the Fram and I said you have to honor the warranty by law in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and the Fram is the right # for the car. They said we will have to bring it up with Hyundai and after that statement, later that day I got a call they were replacing the motor.

They knew they couldn't prove the filter was the reason the engine blew-up. If they could prove it, they would have dented the warranty.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Less efficient filters with relatively low holding capacity have to be ran longer to load them up to their holding capacity limit. Knowing that lower efficiency filters are low because they slough off much more debris is something you probably don't want to run for long OCIs.

 

[GI_GRIFF]

9,200 miles on a filter from a recently purchased 2018 Mazda CX3 2.0 liter sky active engine. Oil was used about 7,500 miles, was dark but not gritty and passed the finger rub test. Next oil change intervals will not be quite so long. The media had an area of 65 square inches, was dark, but I found almost no carbon in the pleats and no metal bits. I may run a Hyundai filter next time for two OCIs as they have more than twice the filter media when compared to this peanut sized filter. I like the coil spring type of bypass valve.

Sorry for picture lighting/quality and the filter was cut open with an angle grinder so there is some debris in the pics that are not representative of the filters true condition.

Anyone use a OEM Hyundai filter on a Mazda? Looks as though it should work.

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9,200 miles on a filter from a recently purchased 2018 Mazda CX3 2.0 liter sky active engine. Oil was used about 7,500 miles, was dark but not gritty and passed the finger rub test. Next oil change intervals will not be quite so long. The media had an area of 65 square inches, was dark, but I found almost no carbon in the pleats and no metal bits. I may run a Hyundai filter next time for two OCIs as they have more than twice the filter media when compared to this peanut sized filter. I like the coil spring type of bypass valve.

Sorry for picture lighting/quality and the filter was cut open with an angle grinder so there is some debris in the pics that are not representative of the filters true condition.

Anyone use a OEM Hyundai filter on a Mazda? Looks as though it should work.

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I'll throw my opinion in here, I guess. This is if you want to make it last a long time. I am not an expert. Always change your oil at 5000 miles maximum, that is whether you are using 25,000-mile Amsoil SS or Walmart Supertech. 5000 or less mile is ok, 5,500 is not. Use the proper grade and specification engine oil in your owner's manual. If you are out of warranty, I would use a 5w-30, but that is just me. If the engine needs cleaned inside use the Valvoline restore and protect for a few changes or forever if you want. You can also go down to the store and buy a bottle of the Rislone part # 4102 and pour that in when you change your oil, you can do that forever too if you want to, that would be cheaper than using the Valvoline R & P and do as good a job in time. here is a copilot link to it:

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  As far as oil filters go, I would use Baldwin filters. Their point in life at work is to purposely build OEM spec filters with a quality construction. They don't build 20 micron absolute oil filters unless that is what the OEM spec calls for. Now I went to the Baldwin Filter website and looked up your vehicle. The Baldwin OEM filter would be a B1400, then they have longer versions using the same media, but the OEM filter is the B1400, which is 2 5/8" long. Next is the B1402 which is 3 1/2" long, then the B1431 which is 4" long. The media in all of them is 23 microns nominal and 45 microns absolute. You can buy more expensive filters with finer micron media, Baldwin is about matching OEM specs. As far as how long they hold up, Baldwin doesn't put a number on it. Here is their statement on that: Baldwin lube filter spin-ons protect your engine from wear particles that can otherwise lead to premature parts failure. Longer drain intervals requires filters that have both high capacity and the ability to withstand the rigors of time and temperature without failing or going into bypass. Baldwin's lube filters are up to the challenge. Now, if you order Baldwin's from Amazon, you will pay at least twice the price than if you order from your local parts store that carries them. They cater to heavy duty and industrial, you may have to stop by a local Peterbuilt dealer or something. They have a filter finder link on the Baldwin website. They are sold all over the world. The parent company of Baldwin and Hastings filters is Parker Hannifin Corp. They are made in Kearney Nebraska and Yankton South Dakota.
• Well, that is probably enough of me today. Keep in mind, this stuff is opinion, my opinion, that's about it. Take care of that Mazda.
  

 

[ZeeOSix]

Use the proper grade and specification engine oil in your owner's manual. If you are out of warranty ...

What about adding Rislone Engine Treatment?

 

[GI_GRIFF]

What about adding Rislone Engine Treatment?

You might be better off waiting until out of warranty for the Restore & Protect or the Rislone, but I doubt if either one would cause a warranty issue. Maybe I should re-phrase that, I doubt if using either one would be the cause of an engine failure.

 

[ZeeOSix]

You might be better off waiting until out of warranty for the Restore & Protect or the Rislone, but I doubt if either one would cause a warranty issue. Maybe I should re-phrase that, I doubt if using either one would be the cause of an engine failure.

Valvoline R&P wouldn't cause a warranty denial, especially if the right viscosity was used per the OM. Even if a xW-30 was used instead of a "recommended" (not "required") xW-20 called out in the OM, the dealership can only legally deny a warranty claim if they can prove the oil you used caused the problem. They won't be able to because they don't even understand the simple concepts of oil and how viscosity relates to lubrication.

 

[GI_GRIFF]

Valvoline R&P wouldn't cause a warranty denial, especially if the right viscosity was used per the OM. Even if a xW-30 was used instead of a "recommended" (not "required) xW-20 called out in the OM, the dealership can only legally deny a warranty claim if they can prove the oil you used caused the problem. They won't be able to because they don't even understand the simple concepts of oil and how viscosity relates to lubrication.

You are probably right about the R & P. Did the guy say it was still under warranty? I looked like a filthy filter and oil to me; I mean in comparison to other used filters I have seen in the past.

 

[ZeeOSix]

You are probably right about the R & P. Did the guy say it was still under warranty? I looked like a filthy filter and oil to me; I mean in comparison to other used filters I have seen in the past.

You mean the OP? He said it's a 2018 Mazda CX3, so it wouldn't still be under warranty unless he has some long extended warranty on it.