May have found an even larger filter for my Integra Type R...

[BrewCityR]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=421573

The Wix 51626 crossreferences to the Mobil1 M1-207 and Bosch 3401 (20x1.5mm thread size, but a larger gasket size than a standard size Honda/Acura filter by .33-.35" outside diameter). We'll see if this HUGE Wix filter has any leaking issues. Sounds like it could seal just fine.

[ February 21, 2003, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: BrewCityR ]

 

[BrewCityR]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=421573

We will see.

Car is in storage and I leave for Seattle tomorrow.

[ February 21, 2003, 02:20 AM: Message edited by: BrewCityR ]

 

[joee12]

BrewcityR, great find!!! I have been looking for an oversized filter, but the only one for the Honda so far has been the M1-105 Mobil 1 filter size, which is too big and the bypass pressures are different. I looked on the wix website, and both the stock 51334 and the oversized 51626 have a bypass pressure of 8-11 PSI:

Wix 51334(stock application):
Part Number: 51334
UPC Number: 765809513341
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Gasket Diameters
Number OD ID Thickness
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233


Here is the info on the 51626 oversized:
Part Number: 51626
UPC Number: 765809516267
Principal Application: Dodge Monaco (91),Eagle (88-92), Jeep (87-93)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.812
Outer Diameter Top: 3.663
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

Let us know what happens, Joe

 

[Patman]

Now I wish I hadn't bought such a huge supply of the 334s! When I use them up I will go to these 626s in both my wife's car and sister's car. (sister has a 99 Civic hatchback, my wife has a 2000 Civic sedan)

 

[Mike_dup1]

How many times do you change oil that you will use up a huge supply.

Are you hooked on oil changing?

 

[joee12]

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike:

Are you hooked on oil changing?

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Who here isn't

-Joe

 

[Patman]

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike:
How many times do you change oil that you will use up a huge supply.

Are you hooked on oil changing?

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OK, well the supply isn't that huge, but big enough to last out most of the year. I have one K&N 1004 left, which goes on the wife's car in April. Then I have 3 Wix filters (two NAPA Gold, one Carquest premium, which are the same just different labels). These filters will be used on my sister's car over the next year (one in March, one 6000 miles later, then one at the end of the year) and then I will need to buy another one for my wife's oil change in the fall, at which time I can buy the longer one if these guinea pigs on here say it's ok.

I've also got an AC Delco PF1127 filter that will fit these cars, but I probably won't use it until I do an Auto-rx interval in one of these Hondas.

[ February 21, 2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Patman ]

 

[BrewCityR]

quote:

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Originally posted by Patman:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike:
How many times do you change oil that you will use up a huge supply.

Are you hooked on oil changing?

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OK, well the supply isn't that huge, but big enough to last out the year and into next. I have one K&N 1004 left, which goes on the wife's car in April. Then I have 3 Wix filters (two NAPA Gold, one Carquest premium, which are the same just different labels). These filters will be used on my sister's car over the next year (one in March, one 6000 miles later, then one at the end of the year) and then I will need to buy another one for my wife's oil change in the fall, at which time I can buy the longer one if these guinea pigs on here say it's ok.

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Just be careful guys. I have not measured any surface areas on blocks/oil coolers, so Civic and Integra surface areas could be different.

Like I said, I wish I had time to go under my Type R today (since it's predicted to be 48*F) but I go out of town until Monday and may not get under my car until after April 1 (in storage).

 

[joee12]

Here is one more that may work. Dr. Pepper mentioned this on an earlier thread:

Part Number: 51344
UPC Number: 765809513440
Principal Application: Various Equipment w/ Isuzu & Yanmar Engines
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148



-Joe

 

[Greg]

quote:

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Originally posted by joee12:
Here is one more that may work. Dr. Pepper mentioned this on an earlier thread:

Part Number: 51344
UPC Number: 765809513440
Principal Application: Various Equipment w/ Isuzu & Yanmar Engines
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.490 2.200 0.148



-Joe

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i use those on my civic. i have one sitting right here actually.

for some reason the ph3593a's and 51334's won't even thread on.

 

[joee12]

Ok, I just left the local auto parts place that carries Wix filters. The 51626(oversize) gasket is slightly larger than the 51334(stock), but the smaller one does not completely fit inside the larger one. I also found the Wix 51347, which is a longer version of the 51334(stock), but a tad skinnier. The 51347 has the same gasket size as the 51626(oversized)Confused Yet???

Here are the specs of the 51347art Number: 51347
UPC Number: 765809513471
Principal Application: Ford Courier (72-82), Pinto (75-79), Merc. Bobcat (75-79)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
15597 2.734 2.430 0.226

 

[Bror Jace]

Guys, I love the build quality of WIX filters but #1334 has a fairly small internal filter canister.

I had used #1344 many years ago which is the same filter only taller ... but the drain back valve is rated at a much lower psi and that was stupid. The thing was probably in bypass mode much of its life.

I know the #1344 was a tight fit on my Civic, though. The canister actually had scratch marks on the side after removal.

I'm afraid that a larger filter wouldn't fit on that car.

But, I won't have it much longer anyway.

--- Bror Jace

 

[ShootingStar]

quote:

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Originally posted by Bror Jace:
I had used #1344 many years ago which is the same filter only taller ... but the drain back valve is rated at a much lower psi and that was stupid.
--- Bror Jace

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I've never seen a psi rating for the anti drain back valve. With the motor running, oil flows freely, with the motor off the pressure of the oil in the canister pushes against the rubber valve preventing oil from flowing back into the block.

 

[edwardh1]

Hey
How about somebody spend $6 and cut some of them open that you are worried about.

You may find that they all use the same filter element size (inside). These outside measurements tell you nothing about whats inside.

 

[ShootingStar]

quote:

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Originally posted by edwardh1:
Hey
How about somebody spend $6 and cut some of them open that you are worried about.

You may find that they all use the same filter element size (inside). These outside measurements tell you nothing about whats inside.

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Believe me when I say that most of these filters and many more HAVE been cut open and "evaluated" here and in many other forums. It gives us a better idea of how they're constructed but tells nothing about flow numbers, bypass settings, etc. Most of us on this board are starving for some REAL filter analysis results.

 

[BrewCityR]

quote:

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Originally posted by BrewCityR:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=421573

The Wix 51626 crossreferences to the Mobil1 M1-207 and Bosch 3401 (20x1.5mm thread size, but a larger gasket size than a standard size Honda/Acura filter by .33-.35" outside diameter). We'll see if this HUGE Wix filter has any leaking issues. Sounds like it could seal just fine.

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The Wix 51626 does NOT seal properly to my 1997 Integra Type R. Maybe an ounce or two of oil came squirting out on startup. I was in my car on a lift, started it up, and my friend/mechanic Will said to shut her down after running for 2 seconds.

 

[unDummy]

Its usually easier to remove the filter gasket and see if it fits on the vehicle's filter mount. If it overlaps/hangs off the edge, then it will leak. Making sure that the filter is snug is also important. Some thickheaded mechanics are anti-filter swapping and might purposely leave it loose so that you stick with the required filter.

But, this doesn't mean that every filter brand for that application won't fit. Its trial and error time at the parts store. If the Wix leaked, try the Puro, Champ, Fram, AC brands, or their clones. Or compare the gasket sizes side by side at the parts store.

And for the pessimists, it is very true that some filters are internally the same. This is important if the pricing is different. I prefer cutting up USED filters and comparing media sizes......VS. murdering a good filter. Even if the media is the same size with different filter PNs from one company, this isn't necessarily true with the other brands.

Also, a little extra oil capacity is always good.
And, a lower bypass isn't a bad thing.

http://www.trasko-usa.com/crossref.htm

 

[MikeySoft]

quote:

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Originally posted by joee12:
... but the only one for the Honda so far has been the M1-105 Mobil 1 filter size, which is too big and the bypass pressures are different. ...

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Does anyone know what the bypass pressure is for the M1-105 or anything else different beside the size and bypass location?

 

[timzak]

I've used this filter successfully on my Hyundai Accent. The gasket is flush with the outer edge of the mating surface, but no leaks as long as the filter is screwed on tight. I've been through 3-4 oil changes with this filter size and no problems yet.

Fram/Supertech xref: 3985
Napa xref: 1626

 

[geeeman]

The Napa Gold 1344 is IDENTICAL! to the 1334 filter spec'd for Honda etc, except that it is 1 inch taller, with a taller element! The base is the same, the gasket is the same (spec sheet says it's thinner, it's not) the adbv is the same, the bypass is the same.(spec sheet says 8-11 psi for both)

I cut one open to compare to an already cut open 1334; once apart all of the internal parts are identical, except for the larger element.