Mainstream brand EVs surpass Tesla in customer appeal
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I dont understand why when presenting sales numbers, people and the media they use, choose one type of propulsion (EV) to somehow make that company look boat loads better in sales.
Here is one for you, add up the Toyota cars on Jeffs chart and add up the Teslas on @JeffKeryk chart form the cherry picked car brands.
Toyota 3,045,803 (and this is just a handful of Toyota's models)
Tesla 1,731,000
Not even close and once again, remember, there are many more Toyota models.
Toyota sales 2023 = over 11 million vehicles
Tesla sales 2023 under 2 million vehicles
Come on now
Tesla is irrelevant to Toyota
I’m saying the controls on the wheel are normal. It’s the most normal EV they make. I don’t know how a Model 3 would have ever been a luxury car. It’s a premium section of the market, but surely not luxury.
Who’s buying i4 M50s? I’ve never seen one. Failing might not be the right word but I’m in “yuppy” Madison all the time. I’m surrounded by Teslas, Rivians, Lightnings, and Mach-Es when it comes to EVs. Again I’m sure the car is spectacular, but I haven’t seen one. That’s something that would stand out and get my attention.
I personally think Elon Musk is a complete flake, and a Ketamine fueled, mary jane stoned one at that.
But I stopped and looked at a low mileage older Model S this week that was for sale, and the difference could not be more stark between that and the new ones in build quality and features. Panel gaps were much smaller, had normal controls on the doors for the side view mirror, a proper speedometer at the driver's eye level. And the leather, wow it was amazing.
I just think the company as a whole has lost their way. "We're going to stick a big screen in the middle and drive everything through that with questionable ergonomics, and we're going to do it with questionable build quality" doesn't work for me. They built a great car in the early days, and I don't feel that's the case anymore. Normal car stuff. Nothing to do with politics or whether I like Elon Musk or not. If they were truly head and shoulders above every other EV, I would have swallowed my distaste for Elon and bought one.
The seller did offer me a 5 year unlimited mileage bumper to bumper warranty including zero deductible for battery repairs on it for $5295, and said the repairs were done at the Tesla service center. Also free Supercharging. Also, the seller would process the used car credit at point of sale.
I just don't think the Boss would be able to get over the fact it was a 2013. And at the end of the warranty you'd basically have to assume it was scrap the first time it needed an expensive repair, or I would anyway.
But I stopped and looked at a low mileage older Model S this week that was for sale, and the difference could not be more stark between that and the new ones in build quality and features. Panel gaps were much smaller, had normal controls on the doors for the side view mirror, a proper speedometer at the driver's eye level. And the leather, wow it was amazing.
I just think the company as a whole has lost their way. "We're going to stick a big screen in the middle and drive everything through that with questionable ergonomics, and we're going to do it with questionable build quality" doesn't work for me. They built a great car in the early days, and I don't feel that's the case anymore. Normal car stuff. Nothing to do with politics or whether I like Elon Musk or not. If they were truly head and shoulders above every other EV, I would have swallowed my distaste for Elon and bought one.
The seller did offer me a 5 year unlimited mileage bumper to bumper warranty including zero deductible for battery repairs on it for $5295, and said the repairs were done at the Tesla service center. Also free Supercharging. Also, the seller would process the used car credit at point of sale.
I just don't think the Boss would be able to get over the fact it was a 2013. And at the end of the warranty you'd basically have to assume it was scrap the first time it needed an expensive repair, or I would anyway.
Hopefully I can update you by the end of the year. I think my son is putting in an order for one. He works for BMW
Actually I know he is but not sure if I got the model right, he did say something like an i4 and I am assuming that there is only that electric version which is what is going to get
You dont see many because they start at $70,000 far more luxury and cost to the ones you mention.
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edyvw
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No, i40 doesn’t stand out. I have to pay close attention to badge and pipes.
That is the point.
Sorry, I agree with edyvw on this one. You have to be on the right controls on the screen to activate the steering wheel buttons to change the mirrors. Not normal and I would not have approved this design if I worked for the federal DOT.
As for the i4 M50s I have seen several around the Austin area, but Tesla is by far and away the most common EV seen on the roads.
On a side note, my section of my neighborhood, about maybe 70 houses, is something of an outlier, there are more Mach-Es here than any other EV. There are 7 of them counting ours! And 5 Tesla Model Ys. I can't 100% be sure of course but it seems that all the Mach-Es are driven by Americans (white ppl-could be Euro immigrant I suppose) and all the Teslas driven by immigrants. The Teslas are really a status symbol for the India tech immigrant crowd.
The mirrors? Really? Every car I’ve ever bought I adjusted the mirrors once and didn’t touch them again.
I’m taking about the basic functions we all use daily while driving, which is typically radio controls.
I have to admit, making such a deal about the side view mirrors doesn't recall the old days when you literally had to get out of the car to adjust the passenger side mirror. Or cars that didn't come standard with a passenger side mirror at all, that was a thing when I was alive. Anyone that's older than a Gen-Xer, they've probably not had the experience of being at a dealership looking at a car where a side mirror on the passenger side was optional. I have not personally, but my parents did when I was along for the ride.
My wife and I trade cars on the weekend since I always drive, so the mirror adjustment is relevant. Maybe if I get a new EV we will take my car on the weekend and then it will be less relevant. But with the Navi, we often take her car because the Navi gets terrible mileage and that necessitates adjusting the side mirrors along with the seat, rearview mirror and the steering wheel. I am 6'7" and she is 5'5". Maybe Tesla never thought of that?
Yeah, we adjust our mirrors all the time too or enough to consider what you guys are taking about the extra steps you have to go through is a throwback in time.
Tesla has now fallen under 50 percent market share. Four years ago they had something like 80 percent market share. All of the Musketeers that keep saying that oh there's more competition but "Tesla is killing it". This proves otherwise. Heck Tesla isn't taking Cybertrucks in on trade now. Wonder why?
Look at thedrives article on a lot in Florida. Tesla is storing more model 3 and y in another field. This one is overgrown with really high grass. Four years ago Tesla had no overflow lots as almost everything made was sold. Add in the fact that the last 8 of 9 quarters Tesla has manufactured significantly more vehicles than sold. These are starting to stack up.
It would make me more likely to buy one if they shifted away from their model of, oh you'll get it in 5 weeks. They don't have to be "at" the dealership, likely real estate is more expensive in desirable auto dealer corridors than in the country. But if you could get it in 12-24 hours or less, that would have helped them look more favorable in our eyes.
My wife and I trade off all the time. If it’s my day off and I go somewhere, I take the Tesla. The mirrors are set to where I put them in my profile every time. Same with the seats. You don’t even notice it happening unless you’re looking for it because it’s done before you even get the door open.
Trust me I’d be the first to bash this because it drives me nuts when the dipped mirror doesn’t go back completely to its original position. My wife uses the dipped mirror function but I don’t. I’ve not had to adjust them to fix that. I’m honestly surprised that’s the case. With all the stuff Tesla manages to mess up I can’t believe they actually get this right.
Using 50% number is being too generous
more like 40% and next year will be under 40% for sure lower 30s by the end of 2025 if that longCompared to who? There aren't that many EVs widely available on the market. Now if everyone else kicks into gear it may be possible, but I'm not seeing it. Ford seems to be doing ok based on the EV ones I see on the road but it's still 10 to 1 Tesla to Ford here.Using 50% number is being too generous
What aren’t you seeing?
Tesla market share
2020 = 79%
2021 = 70%
2022 = 65%
2023 = 55%
2024 = 49%
What else is there to say they lost over a third of the market share in only four years and only this year are manufacturers/GM starting to produce electric vehicles
Not agree, but CNBC predicts Tesla will have an 18% market chair in 2026
Besides all these numbers above nothing as far as the contents of all vehicles, regardless of propulsion in that case, Tesla has a 4 to 5% market share of the US market today
https://electrek.co/2022/11/29/tesla-owns-us-ev-market-but-losing-market-shares-data/
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q4-2023-ev-sales/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/tes...et-share-could-drop-to-18percent-by-2026.html
Hope this all comes out right. I’m doing this on my sofa and iPhone.
I live in a narrow tunnel when it comes to EVs here. I haven't done the research, I just know what I see on the road here. What I can't seem to figure out is why so many go to the trouble of going to another state to pick up a Tesla over all the cars available from a local dealer.What aren’t you seeing?
Tesla market share
2020 = 79%
2021 = 70%
2022 = 65%
2023 = 55%
2024 = 49%
What else is there to say they lost over a third of the market share in only four years and only this year are manufacturers/GM starting to produce electric vehicles
Not agree, but CNBC predicts Tesla will have an 18% market chair in 2026
Besides all these numbers above nothing as far as the contents of all vehicles, regardless of propulsion in that case, Tesla has a 4 to 5% market share of the US market today
https://electrek.co/2022/11/29/tesla-owns-us-ev-market-but-losing-market-shares-data/
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q4-2023-ev-sales/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/tes...et-share-could-drop-to-18percent-by-2026.html
Hope this all comes out right. I’m doing this on my sofa and iPhone.
It doesn't make sense why Teslas are so popular here. I'm sure it will shift. It's the midwest, we're always 5-10 years behind.
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