Mainstream brand EVs surpass Tesla in customer appeal
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Is this actually true, though? The 3 and Y can both be had under 40k and both are selling better than any other EVs out there, and it's not really close.
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Q8 e-tron, yes. The i4 is half-assed, built on an ICE platform - you even have a massive, vestigial transmission tunnel in the back. The wife and I were ready to buy one - heck, even had colors picked out (green with brown interior) - until we drove the i4. The Mach-e is a great prototype but doesn't seem like a finished product, especially for the price. And the price is the biggest factor right now, with the 3 and Y coming in way cheaper than pretty much anything remotely competitive. You can get a 3 LR RWD under $40k OTD. At that pricr, it doesn't need to be perfect; there's just nothing competing with it there.
When it works, sure. The problem is when it doesn't. GM used mostly off-the-shelf outsourced components in Ultium and they can't get systems to talk to each other properly. Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid have all engineered their vehicles substantially from the ground up and aren't running into those issues. Their issues are more related to scaling production as opposed to the product just just not working.
Better selling than anything else? Not close? Your losing me and the one car you mention taxpayers are kicking in $7,500 in cash to buy a Tesla yet these low cost cars still meet or beat it in sales. So I am unsure your meaning.
https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/most-popular-suvs/
I mean, really?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/
It makes sense. Why would I, as someone taking care of my family, spend thousands more on a product that's worse for my family? Reminds me of my wife's aunt who buys Hunts ketchup because she hated John Kerry. She's only hurting herself there - John Kerry (and Elon) don't care.
Sorry for not clarifying because I honestly thought it was super-obvious, but best-selling EVs, since we're in the EV forum in a thread about EVs. And your link 100% supports my point.
Well honestly that doesnt make sense to me then.
I know this is an EV thread but the EV is an automobile to me.
People promote Tesla being it was the only car with an electric engine, put it in its own class and call it best selling. Just not true. The company is going backwards in profits and profit margin and would be out of business if the government wasnt giving them $7,500 for each car Americans bought of theirs. even with this, it only has shown a profit for 3 years out of 15.
Well, hold onto you hat. Tesla with its 15 year head start is losing market share by the boatloads now that other makers are producing cars with electric engines. Im not anti Tesla at all. I stress NOT but just look at the numbers and wait until 2030 at the latest to see where they stand as GM and others build SUVs that Americans love. The market will be flush with EVs and the majority of the public will not own one as a primary car.
Tesla's car lineup is old and stale EXCEPT for the performance group who want that thrill. I mean, facts are an inconvenience to some. EVs are not taking over the market as the media suggested and every manufacturer has cut back plans and Tesla is getting hammered with unsold cars.
Just like you say "competition is a wonderful thing" well, gasoline is competition and its proving how resilient it is even with $7,500 being given away to sway buyers to an EV.
BTW- O assume you read the OP https://www.greencarreports.com/new...-brands-evs-have-passed-tesla-in-satisfaction
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Those are US numbers. Here's WW, and it wasn't even close. What do you think would happen to the numbers if commercial sales were eliminated?
Is that actually true without the slider set to assume gas savings?
Show me a model Y under 40k and by "can be had" that includes sales tax, delivery, fees, and all the other add ons.
You pay sales tax, delivery, and fees on every $40k car. Why is that a stipulation on the Model Y? The only difference for me is that I don't live in a state that allows direct to consumer sales, so I buy the car in Illinois and then have to pay the taxes in Wisconsin.
This is with the tax credit included. Realistically with paying taxes that would put you right around $40k with the base vehicle. Just to include as an example when I paid $47k for our Model 3 the taxes, tags, and state fees were $3,021 2 years ago.
Which EVs are outselling the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y in the US?
Yes, and Torrid provided the screenshot.
Here is the lowest price on a Model Y right now, and is probably how I would buy one due to range (which is everything), etc. But I would not buy a Y until the refresh comes out. The changes are significant, like 95% new parts. The current Model Y is likely to continue to drop in price.
If you qualify for the tax credit, the sales price is $37,490. Owners love these SUV's.
Then buy a Model 3 if $40k is a hard line. I didn't know we were bickering about pennies over $40k.
Then you should check what pazqa said. also near $2000 isnt pennies.
I'm not throwing in any dubious expenses .. such as home charger install etc.
Purely CAR and total out of my pocket.
The Kia EV6 was a MUCH better car than the Model Y. Even my 13 year old son didn't like the quality of the Tesla...
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