Mainstream brand EVs surpass Tesla in customer appeal

I don't know, I haven't even sat in one yet, but the few people that I talked to about their teslas, all loved them.
I only know one person with a Tesla, kind of a recent model three.
She has had a nonworking rear tail light forever, it’s a big long story and I don’t even know what to believe the trouble she said she had trying to get it replaced.

Anyway, she absolutely hates the car but honestly, she hates her new house too, so I just don’t think she’s a happy person🫤
 
The Model 3 is consistently winning in price though. I don’t understand who buys a new Model S over other options.
Yes, it definitely has that going for it. If I were in the market, it would be the i40 M50. If I was not budget constrained it would be a loaded Taycan.
 
Like we all said...they've caught up.

Now that mainstream vehicle brands offer EVs, people are liking them much more than the kit cars from Tesla.
Maybe. Clearly some legacy auto manufacturers make "more normal" EV's. No question this philosophy has it's own appeal. The F150 EV is just like any other F150 inside, and with the exception of the grill, looks like any other F150, despite being vastly different underneath.
 
Investors have really bid Tesla stock up based on their P/E ratio-looks like their stock still has a decent amount to fall to get to a realistic price. Tesla earnings 1/5 of Toyota, but valued almost THREE TIMES as much?? Right…
A few months ago I read a financial analysis that said only about 40% of Tesla's market cap is in the car manufacturing businesses. The rest is in other stuff like grid storage, AI, etc.
 
Maybe. Clearly some legacy auto manufacturers make "more normal" EV's. No question this philosophy has it's own appeal. The F150 EV is just like any other F150 inside, and with the exception of the grill, looks like any other F150, despite being vastly different underneath.
Everyone complains about legacy companies using legacy stuff, but the reality is, it is actually not a bad thing as it reduces the risk of a design problem, not able to sell enough to make up the R&D cost of a new design, and economy of scale when mixed in with a legacy car.
 
Edmunds ran an article recently showing although down a little something like 55 percent of Tesla owners trade in for a gas or hybrid vehicle. Tesla makes it sounds like everyone is trading in their gas car for a Tesla.
 
Edmunds ran an article recently showing although down a little something like 55 percent of Tesla owners trade in for a gas or hybrid vehicle. Tesla makes it sounds like everyone is trading in their gas car for a Tesla.
There may be of a HUGE bias in that Edmunds article as the "trade in" they are referencing would be only at conventional dealerships. Tesla does not have dealerships. A more accurate look at it would be what Tesla owners REPLACE their Tesla with. Being as Tesla owners claim to have 87% brand retention, and loyalty in practice as high as 70%, owners overwhelmingly replace older Tesla's with new ones.
 
Everyone complains about legacy companies using legacy stuff, but the reality is, it is actually not a bad thing as it reduces the risk of a design problem, not able to sell enough to make up the R&D cost of a new design, and economy of scale when mixed in with a legacy car.
I'd rather a more normal feeling EV. I'm not a big fan of the "look at me, I'm an EV!' appearance, which I'm sure is laughable since I own a Tesla. Other than everyone knowing a Tesla is an EV, I don't think Tesla fell into the EV design gap like some trying way too hard to look futuristic(Cybertruck excluded).
 
Everyone complains about legacy companies using legacy stuff, but the reality is, it is actually not a bad thing as it reduces the risk of a design problem, not able to sell enough to make up the R&D cost of a new design, and economy of scale when mixed in with a legacy car.

I think this is why my Wife and I have had such great luck with Dacia cars. They are built out of 'old' Nissan and Renault pieces. All the R&D is done before they start designing and any faults already ironed out. It's a shame there aren't more 'budget' brands about that follow this methodology.
 
We know what happens. Customers despise daddy musk and they still usually buy a Tesla. It's okay, I get it.
When they make the best value in EVs it makes it a lot easier to ignore his babbling. It’s not like he’s directly designing the cars, just unnecessarily muddying the waters.
 
When they make the best value in EVs it makes it a lot easier to ignore his babbling. It’s not like he’s directly designing the cars, just unnecessarily muddying the waters.
I'm sure he'll get board with Tesla and move on to something else and they'll instantly forget him.
 
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