M1 Annual Protection?

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Originally Posted By: Pitty
Either way anyone on here who is perfectly content using vavoline syn power or a cheaper group 3 (probably one of the best quality to price ratios there is) you should be happy M1 came out with this! First now other brands will try to comeout with there own (annual oil) second the more high end stuff come out the cheaper the midgrade stuff will be. Slowly conventional will be phased out and it will only be availablenin a blend.. also i have seen people refer to conventional as dino... and group 3 is also dino. Only group 4 and 5 are truly synthetic. Even though group 3 is technically synthetic because the re arange the molecules it is still a crude oil by product.
( i am aware that the majority of people on here are well aware of this but some are not)


You sure seem to know a lot about oil (and OLM), where did you learn all this stuff Sparky (er, Pitty)?
 
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
For 90% of cars anything more expensive than ST is overkill.


Unless you want to do extended OCIs. Not everything will handle beyond 10k.
 
I don't get why people are so into extended OCIs.
Do they drain oil and look at the bottom of the pan after it sits for a few minutes? Ever see sediments? After 5k mi with best oil and filter used? That 'sand' in oil eats up your engine ever so slowly as it doesn't get caught by filter.
 
Originally Posted By: dubber09
I don't get why people are so into extended OCIs.
Do they drain oil and look at the bottom of the pan after it sits for a few minutes? Ever see sediments? After 5k mi with best oil and filter used? That 'sand' in oil eats up your engine ever so slowly as it doesn't get caught by filter.



Nope, I have never seen that. Been changing my own oil for 25 years.
 
Originally Posted By: dubber09
Now I feel old, doing it since '79.


Sorry brother, wasn't my intent.
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I just talked to TPQI and they haven't even heard of the new M1-AP. They said they'll grab one and analyze it when they see it. Hopefully it'll be soon.
 
Yea 250kon a accord amazing!!! Its a Honda! Cars last longer lately most say they are made better. Could be a coincidence... but synthetic or at least a blend is in your average vehicle now that may have something to do with it..
 
Originally Posted By: Pitty
Well clearly you are in the know so enlighten me!!


Me? Heck no, I didn't post it you did. Just wondering where you learned it was all. Looking to be enlightened myself.
 
Originally Posted By: earthbound
... My mom just used conv oil in her 03 accord and only got 250k miles out of it at the time her grandson wreaked it.(ran great btw) just think if she was using redline/amsoil and it was still on the road today. 300-400k for sure right? conv oil maybe just make it to 275k right?


In this case, pouring Redline / Amsoil down the grandson's throat would have given the 03 Accord about 150k more miles!
 
To be honest i did not know much untill i looked into it after people on herw suggested using that to determine when to change. My 2010 Ford Taurus SHO has a OLM. I kinda assumed it actually monitored the oil... but after looking into was not impressed with the reality. Though it is better than just guessing but you still have to take into consideration the quality of the oil u have they seem to be set for synthetic blend oil life and or the safer side of the synthetics life. It puts your car into its proper category severe or light duty. Most see a 5-8k span o. The times. Like mine it must be manually reset.. so that tells you right there it has no clue on the oil life. If it were specifically one oil probably the oem recommended oil it is probably accurate, but for anything else i would not trust it. there may be acutal OLM's that do monitor oil i just havnt fount any onlibe yet.
Here is one example i did not see this til just now but it is the same info all the reat had given.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-care/oil-life-monitoring-systems.html
 
All i am saying about group 4 and 5 oil is so many of you seem to think it is crazy to spend that much, but if you take the entire money invested in the car til it dies... it wont be that different and come on if you have a decent ride it was at least new worth $30-50k, so to me it is not that hard to spend an extra $15 each change, and get a bit more milage out of that change. I also dont buy into mobile 1 or amsoil 1 year intervals. I would never go past 15k and that would be all highway. Also a lot of you who buy cheaper synthetics and change it more are probably just as well off. My sho has twin tubos and a heavy tune it has about 450hp so if they claim extra protection and have "unbias" third part lab work it is worth it to me to prevent having to replace any of those insanely expensive parts. I already have a underwngineered PTU to worry about.
 
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Good luck asking Mobil.

I sent the following question to Mobil last week:

"Can you tell me the NOACK value for the new Mobil 1 Annual Protection 0W-20?"

The response:

"Just like other companies, we do not discuss our product formulations for obvious proprietary reasons. Mobil 1 is forumulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO, along with a proprietary system of performance additives. But in the end, it is about performance rather than the specific elements of the formulation in their individual performance."

Obviously, they think my question would reveal something about the base oil, which I did NOT ask about - my entire inquiry is exactly as above. Secondly, both Amsoil and Redline DO post their NOACK values. And thirdly, I AM talking about performance - and NOACK values measure that performance, in part. I didn't ask a single question about their additives or base oil.
 
I asked Mobil via FB and they were surprisingly more forthcoming.

EP 0w20 NOACK is 10%
EP 5w30 NOACK is 9%


As much as I would like them to publish these figures for their entire line, they know that many be will oversimplifying comparisons by using the NOACK % and as a result i think they excluded this from their PDS. Mobil 1 oils, comparatively speaking, are on the low end when it it comes to NOACK volatility. Castrol/Pennzoil/Valvoline are usually higher. Reality is though, most are more than good enough. Anything less than 10% is what I tend to prefer.

Most 0w20's, such as Castrol Edge, have a NOACK of 13.8%.

NOACK is important, but uninformed consumers.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I asked Mobil via FB and they were surprisingly more forthcoming.

EP 0w20 NOACK is 10%
EP 5w30 NOACK is 9%


As much as I would like them to publish these figures for their entire line, they know that many be will oversimplifying comparisons by using the NOACK % and as a result i think they excluded this from their PDS. Mobil 1 oils, comparatively speaking, are on the low end when it it comes to NOACK volatility. Castrol/Pennzoil/Valvoline are usually higher. Reality is though, most are more than good enough. Anything less than 10% is what I tend to prefer.

Most 0w20's, such as Castrol Edge, have a NOACK of 13.8%.

NOACK is important, but uninformed consumers.


That NOACK loss for M1 5W30 EP matches the Russian Oil Club's results.
The PQIA (and I think also the ROC) have M1 5W30 at about 10%.
 
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