M1 Annual Protection?

[Toptierpao]

Originally Posted By: Astro_Guy
This has probably been asked before, but why is there no published viscosity data at 40C, or a viscosity index for that matter?


Viscosity is 63.3 at 40C

Viscosity index is 183.

 

[The Critic]

Would anyone like to see a VOA of the Mobil 1 AP 0W20?

 

[Matagonka]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Would anyone like to see a VOA of the Mobil 1 AP 0W20?


What do you think?

 

[Astro_Guy]

Originally Posted By: Toptierpao

Viscosity is 63.3 at 40C

Viscosity index is 183.


Which oil [viscosity] are you speaking of, and what is your authoritative source of this information?

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: gr8gatzby
The penultimate tribological marketing hyperbole?

How can they supersede miles driven in a calendar year with a solely calendar based OCI?

What in the eff. Also, it's $12/qt. So it must be gold.

I drive 1k miles a week and change my oil every 6 weeks with Castrol Edge 0w20. According to this marketing I could safely perform 52k mile OCIs?


Interesting that you use the word "gold."
We were at Meijer today, so I gave this oil the wife test.
She looked at the shelf price and said that it would have to contain gold to be worth that kind of coin.
She mused about the one year and 20K claim and noted that you could buy two jugs of any other flavor of M1 for the same coin as one jug of AP.
She apparently knows more about the economics and functional practicality of oil changes than I would have given her credit for.

 

[nascarnation]

They've cut the shelf space of this new version Mobil in half at my local WM.
It's obviously gathering dust.

They display oil in ascending price per 5qt bottle so it's easy to spot at the end next to the RP.

 

[nthach]

My parents asked me about this oil, but if it's a short-lived(and expensive marketing campaign by XOM) product at WM, I'll have to tell them I'm using M1EP.

 

[TiredTrucker]

It is indeed a niche thing that will only have a very small following. Many folks have a enlarged paranoia gland that would not let them extend drains beyond OEM recommended or the OLM due to warranty concerns. I would never use it. My vehicles deal with conditions that fall outside the norm, since they have to deal with gravel roads daily and other factors. So dong stuff like checking under side and greasing things regularly is the norm for me. I might as well change the oil since I am under there. Besides, even in XOM's statement on their Annual stuff, they drop the length of time on it if the vehicle falls into severe service as outlined by the OEM. And we all know, it doesn't take much to meet most OEM definitions of severe service. And based on VOA I have seen on this stuff, It seems like pure marketing by taking one of their existing oils and putting a different label on the bottle or jug and marking the price up to give the appearance of something special.

 

[demarpaint]

I had the misfortune of working in NYC Friday. We left early for a 9:00 AM start, not too bad, a ride 90 minutes to go 22 miles. Coming home about 2 hours and 50 minutes. I love blanket statements like a dino oil can easily go x miles, and a synthetic double that. 10K seems to be the magic synthetic oil number. I don't buy it, not in this neck of the woods. And I'd love to see how this latest brew from XOM would hold up under those conditions in someone's car who is unfortunate enough to have to make that commute daily. XOM was smart covering their butt with the "severe service claims." I'd be willing to wager there is no way even the best extended drain oils could make a year or even 12K miles under those conditions.

 

[4WD]

You would not know that ...

 

[kohnen]

I can't justify the ~$25 more per jug for 5,000 miles extra, but you have to change it at least yearly. For my Chevy Volt, 4 quarts of NAPA synthetic ($12 on sale) will last me 2 years. Since XOM told me to ignore the OLM, I must change Annual Protection every year, at a cost of $100 over 2 years. Even if I throw in a $10 M1 filter with each change, then it's $22 for the NAPA vs. $120 for M1AP. Now, why would I wish to spend over 5 times as much to use M1AP?

 

[FlyPenFly]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I had the misfortune of working in NYC Friday. We left early for a 9:00 AM start, not too bad, a ride 90 minutes to go 22 miles. Coming home about 2 hours and 50 minutes. I love blanket statements like a dino oil can easily go x miles, and a synthetic double that. 10K seems to be the magic synthetic oil number. I don't buy it, not in this neck of the woods. And I'd love to see how this latest brew from XOM would hold up under those conditions in someone's car who is unfortunate enough to have to make that commute daily. XOM was smart covering their butt with the "severe service claims." I'd be willing to wager there is no way even the best extended drain oils could make a year or even 12K miles under those conditions.


Didn't Consumer Reports do a test with NYC cabs for conventional vs synthetic?

 

[SilverFusion2010]

Originally Posted By: FlyPenFly
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I had the misfortune of working in NYC Friday. We left early for a 9:00 AM start, not too bad, a ride 90 minutes to go 22 miles. Coming home about 2 hours and 50 minutes. I love blanket statements like a dino oil can easily go x miles, and a synthetic double that. 10K seems to be the magic synthetic oil number. I don't buy it, not in this neck of the woods. And I'd love to see how this latest brew from XOM would hold up under those conditions in someone's car who is unfortunate enough to have to make that commute daily. XOM was smart covering their butt with the "severe service claims." I'd be willing to wager there is no way even the best extended drain oils could make a year or even 12K miles under those conditions.


Didn't Consumer Reports do a test with NYC cabs for conventional vs synthetic?


Yeah I think so. They used M1 EP in a fleet of crown vics and then had a mechanic tear down engines at 150k maybe? result was that basically you could reassemble the engine and run it another 150k no problem. The ones run on Dino oil had significantly more wear. I would argue that increased wear was mainly due to idling and not changing the oil frequently enough on the Dino. I think the whole thing is on YouTube


EDIT

Wasn't consumer reports it was XOM and a cab company in LA

https://youtu.be/W0_zWeC1acM

 

[ejes]

I ain't buyin' it...figuratively and literally. But then again, I don't prescribe to the extended OCI belief either for may reasons (in contradiction to may on this forum).

 

[PimTac]

I'll be curious to see how long it stays on the market. The niche they are targeting is very small and the price increase over EP doesn't help either.

 

[jongies3]

So without going through all the pages, has anyone bought and used it? Is it replacing EP? Kinda seems pointless to have both but obviously the EP is going to sell better since it's only a few bucks more than regular M1 and the AP is twice the price.

 

[FlyPenFly]

Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Originally Posted By: FlyPenFly
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I had the misfortune of working in NYC Friday. We left early for a 9:00 AM start, not too bad, a ride 90 minutes to go 22 miles. Coming home about 2 hours and 50 minutes. I love blanket statements like a dino oil can easily go x miles, and a synthetic double that. 10K seems to be the magic synthetic oil number. I don't buy it, not in this neck of the woods. And I'd love to see how this latest brew from XOM would hold up under those conditions in someone's car who is unfortunate enough to have to make that commute daily. XOM was smart covering their butt with the "severe service claims." I'd be willing to wager there is no way even the best extended drain oils could make a year or even 12K miles under those conditions.


Didn't Consumer Reports do a test with NYC cabs for conventional vs synthetic?


Yeah I think so. They used M1 EP in a fleet of crown vics and then had a mechanic tear down engines at 150k maybe? result was that basically you could reassemble the engine and run it another 150k no problem. The ones run on Dino oil had significantly more wear. I would argue that increased wear was mainly due to idling and not changing the oil frequently enough on the Dino. I think the whole thing is on YouTube


EDIT

Wasn't consumer reports it was XOM and a cab company in LA

https://youtu.be/W0_zWeC1acM



I think CR actually did one as well and their conclusion was that there was no difference between Dino and Synthetic. But it was, very engine specific because it was all old Crown Vics.

 

[4WD]

Seems odd that Walmart rolled back EP at the same time they put AP on the shelf. For me, just went from regular M1 to an EP user. No doubt in my mind AP is better - just can't sell at this price.

 

[bbhero]

Exactly right 4wd.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: PimTac
I'll be curious to see how long it stays on the market. The niche they are targeting is very small and the price increase over EP doesn't help either.


I wonder how long it will be on the market too. They targeted a small niche market for sure, however selling the product through WMT for that small niche market was a mistake imo. I'm not sure how they'd target that market, but WMT would be just about the worst place. Online maybe? I see it flopping in the chain parts stores too. Even the best of them make mistakes. This might be one for XOM. Time will tell.