Try shining a light through the media if it is a cut open filter. That shows the louvers openings well. I just did and while some louvers are almost closed most are open and there is lots of flow. Delco pf1233. Baldwin louvers made a little different but same thing, tons of open area even if some are almost closed. I took some pics but don't have time or energy now to show. On the Delco the holes that were barely open or closed were very open the other direction. That filter the bypass valve comes out so it easy to see both directions.
M1-108 holes - louvers barely open in new filter
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I spoke at length with Champion Labs customer support, and I am going to be sending them my photo collection. They asked me not to cut it open at this point, and I have another call tomorrow as a follow up: they want me to send the filter back for review.
This is a pic from my probe camera for a good filter.
Here are some from the problem M1-108 filter.
So what I observe is that most of the holes are barely open- that thin "crack" you might see is about the same as the thickness of a piece of paper.
Many of the holes are not open at all, which is why they reflect light so well. Sorry about the quality- its a cheap probe camera.
So what I observe is that most of the holes are barely open- that thin "crack" you might see is about the same as the thickness of a piece of paper.
Many of the holes are not open at all, which is why they reflect light so well. Sorry about the quality- its a cheap probe camera.
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I have said it more than once that the old round holes that were used in the center tubes of oil filters from the beginning of time worked well and there was NO reason to change to these louvers that they cant seem to get right..
It's a cost cutting measure above all else. With louvers they don't have to worry about small circular metal pieces getting stuck in the filter and ending up in the engine. Baldwin does it very well and these companies that are shifting to louvers have A LOT to learn.
Originally Posted By: rubberchicken
This is a pic from my probe camera for a good filter.
Yes, your two sets of pictures are exactly the phenomenon I mentioned in my Wix 51358 filter thread, just what I observed. If I recall, I also posted pictures of the Baldwin filter in that thread, which has a much different louver design.
This is a pic from my probe camera for a good filter.
Yes, your two sets of pictures are exactly the phenomenon I mentioned in my Wix 51358 filter thread, just what I observed. If I recall, I also posted pictures of the Baldwin filter in that thread, which has a much different louver design.
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That shows a nice view of how these things are constructed.
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Indeed, Garak: pictures do the talking ... also note how thick the cellulose/synthetic media is - I still put my nickel on that being the main restriction ...
Thank you 4WD
Much appreciated. I guess if it's not open facing out, it was put in the other way. It is put together by hand in Champion Labs according to this production video from a couple years back
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Nice video and filter - I can never find a good price on RP and everything in my stock were sale items. Tried my pet-vet mirror today- just a hair too big. Looked at these Mobil 1's in my shop:
M1-102 = slotted and looked good from base end
M1-204 = round holes - just not continuous (much like my Fram Ultra's)
M1-212 = first glance slots looked tight - Narrow beam flashlight and messed with angles until they appeared Ok and the back of those downward slots seemed more "proud" above tube
I'll use all three ...
M1-102 = slotted and looked good from base end
M1-204 = round holes - just not continuous (much like my Fram Ultra's)
M1-212 = first glance slots looked tight - Narrow beam flashlight and messed with angles until they appeared Ok and the back of those downward slots seemed more "proud" above tube
I'll use all three ...
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If louvers are so bad for circulation, then why did/do hot rodders put them in their hoods instead of putting holes? Better flow!
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
If louvers are so bad for circulation, then why did/do hot rodders put them in their hoods instead of putting holes? Better flow!
Good one!
If louvers are so bad for circulation, then why did/do hot rodders put them in their hoods instead of putting holes? Better flow!
Good one!
Originally Posted By: THafeez
I had called Champ Labs a few days ago to complain about the Royal Purple and M1 filters I got about closed louvers. After 2 calls someone picked up and suggested that I take the loss and send it to them for testing and inspection or just return to point of purchase. I understand their plight, but a 14-18 dollar filter and this type of service is not nice. I did tell the customer service rep to speak to whoever manages the floor to check for anomalies, but we all know how customer suggestions/complaints sometimes get "lost".
Very grateful for Motorking in times like these where top brand filters are getting a bad rep because of their manufacturers. FRAM really gets it and builds a killer filter for every category.
I think you might have better luck going to RP rather then to the company they contract with to make their filters. RP is just one of a 100 contracts to them.
Maybe post your concern to the RP facebook with a photo of the issue.
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalPurpleFans
and also
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/contact/
RP depends a lot of PR and marketing to get their premium prices. The last thing they want to do is pick up a bad reputation and have photo's flying around every car forum.
I had called Champ Labs a few days ago to complain about the Royal Purple and M1 filters I got about closed louvers. After 2 calls someone picked up and suggested that I take the loss and send it to them for testing and inspection or just return to point of purchase. I understand their plight, but a 14-18 dollar filter and this type of service is not nice. I did tell the customer service rep to speak to whoever manages the floor to check for anomalies, but we all know how customer suggestions/complaints sometimes get "lost".
Very grateful for Motorking in times like these where top brand filters are getting a bad rep because of their manufacturers. FRAM really gets it and builds a killer filter for every category.
I think you might have better luck going to RP rather then to the company they contract with to make their filters. RP is just one of a 100 contracts to them.
Maybe post your concern to the RP facebook with a photo of the issue.
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalPurpleFans
and also
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/contact/
RP depends a lot of PR and marketing to get their premium prices. The last thing they want to do is pick up a bad reputation and have photo's flying around every car forum.
thanks for the info friend
If I find the time I will speak with them.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
If louvers are so bad for circulation, then why did/do hot rodders put them in their hoods instead of putting holes? Better flow!
Yeah, but they're actually opened properly
If louvers are so bad for circulation, then why did/do hot rodders put them in their hoods instead of putting holes? Better flow!
Yeah, but they're actually opened properly
Ahh... We have a winner here!! Well done 4wd. It makes total sense with these photos. It's like thafeez stated already. If they are appear to have a narrow opening in one's filter where we can see... Then it could be opening into the side facing the media. Again great job here 4wd.
I could be seeing it in a off, wrong way... But it sure looks like it's facing the other way around. Look at the filter all together pics. The openings are kind of narrow but open just a bit. not as much as I would like but open just a bit. Then look at the tube with the media off... That metal isn't flared outwards. It seems to be more open. Like it is more open on the side against the media, then coming to a narrow opening on the opposite side in the center of the tube.
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