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What do you all think of Lubegard ? I know I have used some of there products in the past like the Intant shudder fix back when my 2002 Honda v6 had a very bad shuuder that lubegaurd used to fix... However thats been fixed another way.. ** Whole other story ** My Point is i came across this and I know many bmw people have to jump through hoops to get the coorect atf fluid. Just take a look at tell me what you think? Lubegard 69032 Complete Full Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid - 32 oz. and the reviews are very good... and I have had many atf experts swear by lubegaurd products. Here is a list of soecs ACURA ATF Z-1 ATF DW-1 AISIN WARNER M315 AW-1 3309 AUDI Esso LT71141 G 052 182 A2 G 052 990 A2 G 052 162 A1, A2 G 055 025 A2 G 055 005 A2 G 055 162 A2 G 055 540 A2 G 055 182 A2 G 060 162 A2 ALLISON C-3 C-4 TES-295 TES-389 BMW 83 22 0 024 359 83 22 0 026 922 83 22 0 142 516 83 22 2 152 426 83 22 2 163 514 83 22 0 397 114 83 22 9 400 272 83 22 9 400 275 83 22 0 403 249 83 22 9 407 765 83 22 9 407 807 83 22 9 407 858 83 22 9 407 859 83 22 0 440 214 CATERPILLAR Power Shift TO-2 Power Shift TO-4 CHRYSLER Mopar ATF+3 (7176) Mopar ATF+4 (9602) Mopar ATF+5 Mopar AS68RC 05127382AA Shell 3403 Shell L12108 DAEWOO LT 711141 DAIHATSU Alumix Multi EAGLE ATF+3 ATF+4 FIAT MOPAR AW1 FORD MERCON® SP MERCON® LV ESR-M2C-163-A2 FNR5 ATF XT-8-QAW XT-9-QMM5 GENERAL MOTORS DEXRON, II, II-E, III, III-G, III-H DEXRON VI GM 12378515 GM 88900925 HONDA Honda Genuine Z-1 Honda Genuine DW-1 HYUNDAI SP-III ATF SP-IV ATF NWS 9638 Apollo ATF Red 1K INFINITI Matic D Matic J Matic K Matic S ISUZU Isuzu Besco ATF-II, III Isuzu Genuine Fluid JAGUAR LT 71141 JLM 20238 Shell 3403 Idemitsu K17 8342 JEEP ATF+3 ATF+4 Shell 3403 JWS 3309 KIA Kia SP-II, III, IV Kia Appolo Oil ATF Red-1K LAND ROVER LT 71141 Texaco N402 Shell 1375.4 AW1 LEXUS Type T, T-II, T-III, T-IV Type WS MAZDA ATF M-3 ATF M-V 0000-77-114E-01 0000-77-122E-01 0000-77-120E-0 MERCEDES BENZ MB 001 989 21 03-10 MB 001 989 68 03-10 MB 236.1 MB 236.12 MB 236.2 MB 236.5 MB 236.6 MB 236.7 MB 236.8 MB 236.81 MB 236.9 MINI MC 83 22 0 402 413 MITSUBISHI Diamond SP-II, III Dia Queen J2 Dia Queen J3 NISSAN Nissan Matic-D Nissan Matic-J Nissan Matic-K Nissan Matic-S Nissan Matic-W PORSCHE 000 043 207 29 000 043 304 00 Esso LT 71141 Shell ATF 3403 SAAB 93 160 393 93 165 146 93 165 147 Saab Aporoil SATURN 21005966 22689186 SCION TIV ATF Genuine WS SUBARU K0140Y0700 SOA868V9241 SUZUKI Suzuki 3317 Suzuki 3309 Suzuki Matic J Suzuki Matic S TOYOTA Toyota Type T-III Toyota Type T-IV Toyota Type WS VOLKSWAGEN G 052 025 A2 G 052 182 A2 G 052 162 A1 G 052 162 A2 G 055 025 A2 G 052 990 A2 VOLVO 1161521 1161540 1161641 97340 97341 31 256 774 ©2012 ILI. All trademarks are property of their respective owners. [/u][u]
 
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Their products have a good reputation, however I am not a fan of one size fits all ATF. However some of them are supposed to be good, that might be the case here. Subscribed waiting to hear from someone that used this product.
 
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I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
 
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Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
Ya know, to be quite honest I don't get it either. However, it's telling me that we are way too concerned about ATF because, I've been using multi-vehicle ATFs now for some time in several different vehicles, all requiring their own specific ATF and nothing bad has happened. IDK when something bad will happen but, it hasn't happened yet. Turns out, some of these m-v ATFs are equal/better than OE according to the vehicle owners. Others will disagree. Many claim that the tranny shifts different than OE. Not saying it's bad, just different. It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???
 
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Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
When hot ?
 
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1st THING TO DO: Whittle that list down by eliminating repeats (ex: the DW-1 and Z-1 are listed twice). 2nd TTD: Eliminate superseded fluids under one heading (ex: do the fluids listed under VW and Mercedes boil down to their newest one? Or do the "Matic-ABC" fluids supersede progressively?) 3rd TTD: Now list the fluid's attributes side-by-side Kinda surprised the stuff doesn't meet Ford Type-F or work in CVT's....it does everything else! Then prepare for a flood of thanks from us all.
 
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... tell me what you think?...
I think a complete listing of applications when a simple link to the Amazon sourced information pics or company supplied pdf would have sufficed, a waste of bandwidth. As for the posted advertisement, since it's a Lubegard product likely a capable MV ATF as advertised. However cost always being a consideration, the Amazon price of ~$9.00/qt make it a no go for me. Similar prices or higher found elsewhere with google search of product. For that money I'd expect to find the oem fluid for most if not all the listed applications to be the same, or even less. And when it comes to similar comparable multivehicle ATFs that are readily available, Maxlife Full Synthetic MV can be currently be obtained for ~$18/gallon everyday from Walmart. Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic MV a bit harder to find but currently on sale at AAP for $5/qt. As I've good results using the former over many miles with a couple Hondas, no reason for me to use a significantly more expensive product like the topic.
 
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It's funny. Old torqueflite Chrysler transmissions let you replace up to half of the transmission fluid with kerosene in cold weather applications. Lubegard is ok in my book but why risk it if the tranny is in good repair? OEM fluid is probably the wisest choice. You may go onto a diesel page where those fellas tow massive trailers and really stress their transmissions and see if anyone uses the Lubegard and what the consensus is.
 
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I don't know about using a one size fits all transmission fluid as fluids such as Dexron 6 and Honda DW-1 are readily available. I feel better about using fluids that are specifically recommended by the transmission manufacturer for my transmissions. The cost of a one size fits all fluid may be cheaper than a type specific fluid, but what is the cost of a transmission if the fluid doesn't do what it's supposed to do?
 
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???
I can't add anything relevant about the Lubegard product, but even I (by the book man)am beginning to have the same thoughts as Char Baby. When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.
 
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Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???
I can't add anything relevant about the Lubegard product, but even I (by the book man)am beginning to have the same thoughts as Char Baby. When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.
Hmmm, good to know, thanks.
 

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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Their products have a good reputation, however I am not a fan of one size fits all ATF. However some of them are supposed to be good, that might be the case here. Subscribed waiting to hear from someone that used this product.
Think where it will get a bit easier is with Co-Venture operations like Ford and GM have. The Castrol MV Synthetic I’m using is both Dex VI and Mercon LV … not just “recommended” ... Having said that, I put the spec sheets side by side and felt things were close enough where I also use Maxlife* in my Cruze … the gallon out/in is just too easy … BTW ~ it’s time for more ATF to come in gallon jugs … *did we ever figure out why it smelled stronger than other?
 
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Originally Posted By: 46Harry
I don't know about using a one size fits all transmission fluid as fluids such as Dexron 6 and Honda DW-1 are readily available. I feel better about using fluids that are specifically recommended by the transmission manufacturer for my transmissions.
Yes, and oddly enough... mine takes Mercon V, and almost no one that makes "universal" fluid says it's OK for Mercon V applications.
 

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Lubegard is a solid company and I'd have no problems following their recommendations.
I agree 100% because Lubegaurd has the respect of many if not all ATF specialists. I would have no problem trying this in my Honda.. I think my next drain and fill i might try this. For years i use to be a HG DW-1 person.. I would use HG DW1 or nothing.. Til the last complete drain and fill i used a somewhat different brand (( Meaning not HG DW-1 )) and I was able to see a huge improvement. Also Im sure some of you have heard of Scotti Kilmer ?? Scotti Kilmer uses a product very similar to this.. He uses ATP MV ATF in all his jobs and as some of you know ATP are transmission specialists. He uses this and I'm sure just like Eric The Car Guy some of us have respect for Scotti Kilmer and respect what he says. ATP Automotive AT-216 Premium Synthetic Multi Vehicle ATF Synthetic Trans Fluid Part Number : AT-216 Features & Benefits ATP AT-216 Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid is specifically designed to provide the best protection and performance for automatic transmissions and other systems specifying ATF. The formulation incorporates synthetic base stocks that are proven to reduce heat and wear in transmissions, extending the life of the unit. The fluid is resistant to breakdown over time, allowing for the same high level of protection throughout it's service life, without thinning, oxidizing or introducing sludge or varnish into the transmission. It is tested and optimized to perform in all extreme conditions from severe duty such as towing or commercial driving, to extreme heat and cold due to it's high shear stability, film strength and low temperature fluidity. To avoid complexity of hard to find OEM fluids, AT-216 is developed with consideration of all OEM specifications and meets or exceeds the requirements of all ATF types in Domestic, Import and European vehicles (besides CVT or Type F applications.) Synthetic formula protects transmission by reducing internal heat & wear Maintains performance over extended periods by resisting thermal breakdown, oxidation, varnish, and sludge Severe duty and high temperature protection due to a high shear stability and film strength Suitable for use in most North American, European and Asian vehicles with automatic transmissions Including but not limited to: Dexron III/Mercon, Dexron VI, Mercon L/V/LV/SP, Mopar ATF +3/+4, AS68RC, Type T-IV, WS, AW1 Honda Z1/DW1, Hyundai/Kia SPIII/SPIV/RED 1, Nissanmatic S/D/J/K/W, Mitsubishi Diamond, Shell 3403/L12108/M1375.4/LA2634, Fuchs 3353, Esso LT71141, JWS 3309/3314/3324, Select BMW, Mercedes Benz and VW/Audi OE fluids. [u][/u]
 
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Seems it Does not meet Mercon V. Either Mercon V is hard to meet or license fee's. My transmission in the morning when fluid (Mercon V is thicker you cannot hardly feel the shifts. As it warms up then you do feel them. Mercon V has a high-viscosity index, lubegard seems to have a lower viscosity when cold then Mercon V. I'll take a guess that if it did meet Mercon V it probably would not meet quite a few of the above. I do use lubegard red.
 
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Originally Posted By: doitmyself
.... When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.
Member Hootbro posted an excellent link to an article on Multivehicle ATFs last year. Unfortunately LubesnGreases now requires subscription to see. Luckily he summarized two key findings from the report (linked below) that would seem to affirm their use in many applications. And IME, Maxlife a quality and cost effective MV ATF for my applications. I'd also have no problem using Castrol Full Synthetic MV too if it could be purchased at the current $5/qt sale price at AAP. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...c's#Post4470618 Also when it comes to the point of lower starting viscosity Full Synthetic ATFs including the MV ATFs have, like to link to MolaKule's post on Improvements in DexronVI over DexronIII. Basically greater shear stability than mineral based ATFs allowing them to start lower. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3014880/Improvements_in_DexronVI_over_
 

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The m.v. trans fluids are interesting because probably the wrong atf will be better than the original factory fill that has 100,000+ miles on it.
 

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Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
perhaps the LXE technology has something to do with it. I called several transmission rebuild / repair shops today and asked them about lubegaurd products and they spoke very highly of all there products..
 
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