Lubegard ???

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What do you all think of Lubegard ? I know I have used some of there products in the past like the Intant shudder fix back when my 2002 Honda v6 had a very bad shuuder that lubegaurd used to fix... However thats been fixed another way.. ** Whole other story **

My Point is i came across this and I know many bmw people have to jump through hoops to get the coorect atf fluid.
Just take a look at tell me what you think?

Lubegard 69032 Complete Full Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid - 32 oz.

and the reviews are very good... and I have had many atf experts swear by lubegaurd products.

Here is a list of soecs

ACURA
ATF Z-1
ATF DW-1
AISIN WARNER
M315
AW-1
3309
AUDI
Esso LT71141
G 052 182 A2
G 052 990 A2
G 052 162 A1, A2
G 055 025 A2
G 055 005 A2
G 055 162 A2
G 055 540 A2
G 055 182 A2
G 060 162 A2
ALLISON
C-3
C-4
TES-295
TES-389
BMW
83 22 0 024 359
83 22 0 026 922
83 22 0 142 516
83 22 2 152 426
83 22 2 163 514
83 22 0 397 114
83 22 9 400 272
83 22 9 400 275
83 22 0 403 249
83 22 9 407 765
83 22 9 407 807
83 22 9 407 858
83 22 9 407 859
83 22 0 440 214
CATERPILLAR
Power Shift TO-2
Power Shift TO-4
CHRYSLER
Mopar ATF+3 (7176)
Mopar ATF+4 (9602)
Mopar ATF+5
Mopar AS68RC
05127382AA
Shell 3403
Shell L12108

DAEWOO
LT 711141
DAIHATSU
Alumix Multi
EAGLE
ATF+3
ATF+4
FIAT
MOPAR AW1
FORD
MERCON® SP
MERCON® LV
ESR-M2C-163-A2
FNR5 ATF
XT-8-QAW
XT-9-QMM5
GENERAL MOTORS
DEXRON, II, II-E, III, III-G, III-H
DEXRON VI
GM 12378515
GM 88900925
HONDA
Honda Genuine Z-1
Honda Genuine DW-1

HYUNDAI
SP-III ATF
SP-IV ATF
NWS 9638
Apollo ATF Red 1K
INFINITI
Matic D
Matic J
Matic K
Matic S
ISUZU
Isuzu Besco ATF-II, III
Isuzu Genuine Fluid
JAGUAR
LT 71141
JLM 20238
Shell 3403
Idemitsu K17
8342
JEEP
ATF+3
ATF+4
Shell 3403
JWS 3309
KIA
Kia SP-II, III, IV
Kia Appolo Oil ATF Red-1K
LAND ROVER
LT 71141
Texaco N402
Shell 1375.4
AW1
LEXUS
Type T, T-II, T-III, T-IV
Type WS
MAZDA
ATF M-3
ATF M-V
0000-77-114E-01
0000-77-122E-01
0000-77-120E-0
MERCEDES BENZ
MB 001 989 21 03-10
MB 001 989 68 03-10
MB 236.1
MB 236.12
MB 236.2
MB 236.5
MB 236.6
MB 236.7
MB 236.8
MB 236.81
MB 236.9
MINI
MC 83 22 0 402 413
MITSUBISHI
Diamond SP-II, III
Dia Queen J2
Dia Queen J3
NISSAN
Nissan Matic-D
Nissan Matic-J
Nissan Matic-K
Nissan Matic-S
Nissan Matic-W
PORSCHE
000 043 207 29
000 043 304 00
Esso LT 71141
Shell ATF 3403
SAAB
93 160 393
93 165 146
93 165 147
Saab Aporoil
SATURN
21005966
22689186
SCION
TIV ATF
Genuine WS
SUBARU
K0140Y0700
SOA868V9241
SUZUKI
Suzuki 3317
Suzuki 3309
Suzuki Matic J
Suzuki Matic S
TOYOTA
Toyota Type T-III
Toyota Type T-IV
Toyota Type WS
VOLKSWAGEN
G 052 025 A2
G 052 182 A2
G 052 162 A1
G 052 162 A2
G 055 025 A2
G 052 990 A2
VOLVO
1161521
1161540
1161641
97340
97341
31 256 774
©2012 ILI. All trademarks are property of their respective owners.

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Their products have a good reputation, however I am not a fan of one size fits all ATF. However some of them are supposed to be good, that might be the case here. Subscribed waiting to hear from someone that used this product.
 
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.


Ya know, to be quite honest I don't get it either.
However, it's telling me that we are way too concerned about ATF because, I've been using multi-vehicle ATFs now for some time in several different vehicles, all requiring their own specific ATF and nothing bad has happened. IDK when something bad will happen but, it hasn't happened yet.

Turns out, some of these m-v ATFs are equal/better than OE according to the vehicle owners. Others will disagree. Many claim that the tranny shifts different than OE. Not saying it's bad, just different.

It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???
 
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Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.


When hot ?
 
1st THING TO DO: Whittle that list down by eliminating repeats (ex: the DW-1 and Z-1 are listed twice).
2nd TTD: Eliminate superseded fluids under one heading (ex: do the fluids listed under VW and Mercedes boil down to their newest one? Or do the "Matic-ABC" fluids supersede progressively?)
3rd TTD: Now list the fluid's attributes side-by-side

Kinda surprised the stuff doesn't meet Ford Type-F or work in CVT's....it does everything else!

Then prepare for a flood of thanks from us all.
 
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... tell me what you think?...

I think a complete listing of applications when a simple link to the Amazon sourced information pics or company supplied pdf would have sufficed, a waste of bandwidth.

As for the posted advertisement, since it's a Lubegard product likely a capable MV ATF as advertised. However cost always being a consideration, the Amazon price of ~$9.00/qt make it a no go for me. Similar prices or higher found elsewhere with google search of product. For that money I'd expect to find the oem fluid for most if not all the listed applications to be the same, or even less.

And when it comes to similar comparable multivehicle ATFs that are readily available, Maxlife Full Synthetic MV can be currently be obtained for ~$18/gallon everyday from Walmart. Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic MV a bit harder to find but currently on sale at AAP for $5/qt. As I've good results using the former over many miles with a couple Hondas, no reason for me to use a significantly more expensive product like the topic.
 
It's funny. Old torqueflite Chrysler transmissions let you replace up to half of the transmission fluid with kerosene in cold weather applications. Lubegard is ok in my book but why risk it if the tranny is in good repair? OEM fluid is probably the wisest choice. You may go onto a diesel page where those fellas tow massive trailers and really stress their transmissions and see if anyone uses the Lubegard and what the consensus is.
 
I don't know about using a one size fits all transmission fluid as fluids such as Dexron 6 and Honda DW-1 are readily available. I feel better about using fluids that are specifically recommended by the transmission manufacturer for my transmissions. The cost of a one size fits all fluid may be cheaper than a type specific fluid, but what is the cost of a transmission if the fluid doesn't do what it's supposed to do?
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.


It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???


I can't add anything relevant about the Lubegard product, but even I (by the book man)am beginning to have the same thoughts as Char Baby. When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.


It seem as though the vehicle MFGs(have instilled fear into us) want us to use their specific ATF and the aftermarket ATFs have shown the public that, it's not necessary. Sorta like being the whistleblowers! Same with coolants???


I can't add anything relevant about the Lubegard product, but even I (by the book man)am beginning to have the same thoughts as Char Baby. When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.


Hmmm, good to know, thanks.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Their products have a good reputation, however I am not a fan of one size fits all ATF. However some of them are supposed to be good, that might be the case here. Subscribed waiting to hear from someone that used this product.


Think where it will get a bit easier is with Co-Venture operations like Ford and GM have. The Castrol MV Synthetic I’m using is both Dex VI and Mercon LV … not just “recommended” ...
Having said that, I put the spec sheets side by side and felt things were close enough where I also use Maxlife* in my Cruze … the gallon out/in is just too easy … BTW ~ it’s time for more ATF to come in gallon jugs …
*did we ever figure out why it smelled stronger than other?
 
Originally Posted By: 46Harry
I don't know about using a one size fits all transmission fluid as fluids such as Dexron 6 and Honda DW-1 are readily available. I feel better about using fluids that are specifically recommended by the transmission manufacturer for my transmissions.


Yes, and oddly enough... mine takes Mercon V, and almost no one that makes "universal" fluid says it's OK for Mercon V applications.
 
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Lubegard is a solid company and I'd have no problems following their recommendations.


I agree 100% because Lubegaurd has the respect of many if not all ATF specialists.
I would have no problem trying this in my Honda.. I think my next drain and fill i might try this.

For years i use to be a HG DW-1 person.. I would use HG DW1 or nothing.. Til the last complete drain and fill i used
a somewhat different brand (( Meaning not HG DW-1 )) and I was able to see a huge improvement.

Also Im sure some of you have heard of Scotti Kilmer ?? Scotti Kilmer uses a product very similar to this..

He uses ATP MV ATF in all his jobs and as some of you know ATP are transmission specialists.

He uses this and I'm sure just like Eric The Car Guy some of us have respect for Scotti Kilmer and respect what he says.

ATP Automotive AT-216 Premium Synthetic Multi Vehicle ATF




Synthetic Trans Flui
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Part Number : AT-216
Features & Benefits
ATP AT-216 Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid is specifically designed to provide the best protection and performance for automatic transmissions and other systems specifying ATF. The formulation incorporates synthetic base stocks that are proven to reduce heat and wear in transmissions, extending the life of the unit. The fluid is resistant to breakdown over time, allowing for the same high level of protection throughout it's service life, without thinning, oxidizing or introducing sludge or varnish into the transmission. It is tested and optimized to perform in all extreme conditions from severe duty such as towing or commercial driving, to extreme heat and cold due to it's high shear stability, film strength and low temperature fluidity. To avoid complexity of hard to find OEM fluids, AT-216 is developed with consideration of all OEM specifications and meets or exceeds the requirements of all ATF types in Domestic, Import and European vehicles (besides CVT or Type F applications.)

Synthetic formula protects transmission by reducing internal heat & wear
Maintains performance over extended periods by resisting thermal breakdown, oxidation, varnish, and sludge
Severe duty and high temperature protection due to a high shear stability and film strength

Suitable for use in most North American, European and Asian vehicles with automatic transmissions Including but not limited to: Dexron III/Mercon, Dexron VI, Mercon L/V/LV/SP, Mopar ATF +3/+4, AS68RC, Type T-IV, WS, AW1 Honda Z1/DW1, Hyundai/Kia SPIII/SPIV/RED 1, Nissanmatic S/D/J/K/W, Mitsubishi Diamond, Shell 3403/L12108/M1375.4/LA2634, Fuchs 3353, Esso LT71141, JWS 3309/3314/3324, Select BMW, Mercedes Benz and VW/Audi OE fluids.


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Seems it Does not meet Mercon V. Either Mercon V is hard to meet or license fee's. My transmission in the morning when fluid (Mercon V is thicker you cannot hardly feel the shifts. As it warms up then you do feel them. Mercon V has a high-viscosity index, lubegard seems to have a lower viscosity when cold then Mercon V. I'll take a guess that if it did meet Mercon V it probably would not meet quite a few of the above. I do use lubegard red.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
.... When I investigated local dealers about a transmission fluid change in my Jeep (Hyundai transmission), ALL of the local dealers were using either BG products or Valvolene Maxlife, even when the vehicle was under warranty.

Member Hootbro posted an excellent link to an article on Multivehicle ATFs last year. Unfortunately LubesnGreases now requires subscription to see. Luckily he summarized two key findings from the report (linked below) that would seem to affirm their use in many applications. And IME, Maxlife a quality and cost effective MV ATF for my applications. I'd also have no problem using Castrol Full Synthetic MV too if it could be purchased at the current $5/qt sale price at AAP.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...c's#Post4470618

Also when it comes to the point of lower starting viscosity Full Synthetic ATFs including the MV ATFs have, like to link to MolaKule's post on Improvements in DexronVI over DexronIII. Basically greater shear stability than mineral based ATFs allowing them to start lower.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3014880/Improvements_in_DexronVI_over_
 
The m.v. trans fluids are interesting because probably the wrong atf will be better than the original factory fill that has 100,000+ miles on it.
 
Originally Posted By: tcp71
I don’t know how you can meet 3309 and T-WS at the same time they have significant differences in viscosity.


perhaps the LXE technology has something to do with it.
I called several transmission rebuild / repair shops today and asked them about lubegaurd products and they spoke very highly of all there products..
 
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