LSJr. The TRUTH About Valvoline's BOLD Engine Cleaning Claims
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No. It's a novel "something" from what they've said. This doesn't use the traditional polarity method. Whatever it is it seems to dissolve carbon.
It's proprietary to Valvoline.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/...ils-revolutionary-motor-oil-restore--protect/
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So is it some kind of solvent but stable and won't evaporate or degrade over 10k miles/1y of usage?
It reminds me of glyphosate unique molecule that is hard to find the homology, unlike agent orange.
Agent Orange contains two active ingredients, 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T), which other companies can easily modified and still have similar effectiveness.
It reminds me of glyphosate unique molecule that is hard to find the homology, unlike agent orange.
Agent Orange contains two active ingredients, 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T), which other companies can easily modified and still have similar effectiveness.
Seems to have sorted the consumption out. 3k miles. Changed to it earlier this year.
The story is Valvoline has a research lab overseas; if I recall, where the lab folks synthesized a new molecule.
I'm trying it now. Consumption on this Fit has been a consistent 1 Quart / 4k miles since 200k on the engine. It just passed 350k right after the swap to Valvoline Restore and Protect. Might take up to a year for results.
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It's on this video at the 2:30 min that they mention Mumbai, India. The video was shot at Lexington, KY.
I watched it again. Developed here (theoretical molecule ex), synthesized in Mumbai, then sent back to KY and tested/validated.
Alkyd-Naphathene? I know I'm wrong and I'm okay with that. Could it be possible that it has a higher volatility rate so that whatever it comes in contact with that's varnish it's more likely to burn off so that it's more than likely to cause some topping off. Though then again some people have used it and not required any oil at all between interval changes
1 quart every 4,000 miles is considered normal, I wouldn't expect much of an improvement in regards to consumption.I'm trying it now. Consumption on this Fit has been a consistent 1 Quart / 4k miles since 200k on the engine. It just passed 350k right after the swap to Valvoline Restore and Protect. Might take up to a year for results.
I’m not exporting much either, but I figured it couldn’t hurt. It’s possible there is something to clean up from my numerous extended OCIs for years (when I did not use the best oils for that).
I’m curious about your definition of normal though. Normal for this series engine or for a Honda 4 cylinder in general? I know the rate is perfectly acceptable, but I never dug into other Fit owner consumption rates.
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I don't think it burns-off anything but solves it. Alkylated Naphthalene has some minor solvency but not the kind to break up carbonaceous material.
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Chemical companies work with universites all over the world to help develop special chemsitries. Nothing really new about this.
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I think Valvoline is using some nano technology with adhesive molecules, but I'm just guessing. People started talking about nano technologies like 15 years ago. So, for sure we have some already developed technologies, but they are kept a secret. Nano technologies are not a joke because there are particules that work but you cannot see them with naked eye, so it's easy to freak out people.
Maybe there is already toothpaste with nano particles that will clean around and between your teeth even better.
Does the gap between your teeth is smaller or larger than the one b/w main bearing journals or b/w the oil piston rings gap?
Maybe there is already toothpaste with nano particles that will clean around and between your teeth even better.
Does the gap between your teeth is smaller or larger than the one b/w main bearing journals or b/w the oil piston rings gap?
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Nope, 1qt for 4,000 or 5,000 miles is not normal. My car burns that much oil and next year I'll try Valvoline Restore and Protect to lower it down.
In the video above the Valvoline R&D men say that Valvoline Restore and Protect is designed to clean slowly your engine, not rapidly as the previous Valvoline Blue Restore, so it doesn't plug in filters and catalytic converters.
So that's why it's recommended to do at least 4 OCI because the oil is designed to clean slowly, step by step.
What is a nano technology particle? You mean like a micro abrasive?I think Valvoline is using some nano technology with adhesive molecules, but I'm just guessing. People started talking about nano technologies like 15 years ago. So, for sure we have some already developed technologies, but they are kept a secret. Nano technologies are not a joke because there are particules that work but you cannot see them with naked eye, so it's easy to freak out people.
Maybe there is already toothpaste with nano particles that will clean around and between your teeth even better.
Does the gap between your teeth is smaller or larger than the one b/w main bearing journals or b/w the oil piston rings gap?
Yes 1 quart every 4,000 miles is in fact considered normal by Honda and it is considered normal by other manufacturers as well, in fact other manufacturers have even worse oil consumption rates that is considered normal.
Honda actually has a threshold of 1 quart every 2,000 miles before they begin to consider it excessive oil consumption.
This is correct. Some manufacturers allow up to one quart per 1k miles.
But it doesn’t make it reality, just covering their butts. Some even backtracked on their thresholds and fixed the problem later on. Bad designs and or recommendations by manufacturers are common. Lifetime transmission fluid for example. Fortunately oil consumption can be improved upon or even eliminated by oil choice(like my case). But not in every situation, bad pcv designs, scored cylinders etc.
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I don't have idea.
Either that OR could be the opposite - nano particles adhere to critical engine internal parts to protect them while the cleaning takes place. For example, oil nano particles stick only to bear metal parts, creat film and protect them, but don't stick to varnish and sludge and those get washed away. They could be many different nano scenarios.
I'm still thinking there is something to do with the higher amount of Boron too. For sure it's not one miracle ingredient, it's a combination of two or more components. It's also related to something that keeps the TBN high for a longer period and that could be related to borax too. Valvoline Restore and Protect contains significant amount of Calcium too. That may reacts with Boron creating calcium borate and so on, and so on.
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Scrubbing bubbles, ya thats what the secret sauce is, Scrubbing bubbles. I don't really care where it comes from or what it is, but it does work and is going to keep lots of low tension ring pack engines alive and not sticking the rings.
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