LSJr ... The Motor Oil Geek talks about motorcycle oils.

After all given the low market share of Motorcycle oil
manufactures work with a reformulation of their Auto oil...

Note how similar the additives are when comparing Amsoil Metric
motorcycle oil with Mobil 1 Auto and Mobil 1 Motorcycle 4T...
Technically speaking they are all good for wet clutches...

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BusyLittleShop said:
After all given the low market share of Motorcycle oil
manufactures work with a reformulation of their Auto oil...

Note how similar the additives are when comparing Amsoil Metric
motorcycle oil with Mobil 1 Auto and Mobil 1 Motorcycle 4T...
Technically speaking they are all good for wet clutches...

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And what's the date of that information? You've posted this same info dozens of times, but is it 1 month old or 10 years old information?
 
For the collective ...

The only 10w40 Mobil lists besides 10w40 4T racing is 10w40 high mileage. 870 ppm zinc, 800 ppm phosphorus. 10w40 "Auto" as it appears a few posts above does not exist. Firing up the microwave to make some popcorn while waiting for a current analysis of the automobile version of 10w40 that can be bought...
 
I like the videos where they compare Walmart's Super Tech to the boutique oils, and the ST either holds it's own, or outperforms the expensive oils....
 
Bumpside 427 said:
I don't think that Lake is new to oils/engines, etc...
Of course take online stuff critically, but I like his content.
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Folks got to label - “he only knows racing” etc …
I think Mr Ward can confirm that racing teams use all kinds of HD trucks, LT’s, and SUV’s to support each race car. And each of these folks own personal/family vehicles that get top notch care …
He’s been immersed in all that for many years …
 
BigCahuna said:
I couldn't get anything to play from the first post. I find it amusing that certain people that are new to something, make a video about a particular subject with little to no real world experience. But they want to persuade people on what product to use. They completely disregard what has been used in the past with great success. Engine oil being the biggest topic. Any brand name oil companies oil would more than likely work in a motorcycle engine if the weight is correct . Paying premium dollars for something that will be discarded before it's time, is an example of waste, and not getting value for your money. If your engine is watercooled, or air cooled should help determined what weight of oil you should be using. Shared sump or have several compartments also are a consideration for oil weight. Normal street riding vs track riding should be a consideration. I've used expensive oil and cheap oil, and haven't found enough difference to justify spending the added cost.,,
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This guy literally studies lubricants and their effects on machines. Knowing the deep down nitty gritty about the chemistry is one thing, but knowing the effects of products and the differences in application is another. Frankly, I could not care less what the oil is made of, or how much of one additive is has over another. I care about its effects.

It someone made a chicken poop, windex and donut batter oil, that relatively outperformed the best HPL, RP, Amsoil or M1 in an engine.........I would be using the chicken poop combo.
 
one important point to consider is base oils in this specific task, like gr-2&3 or blended esters may have a effect on the clutch & heat,,, years ago (1980s) when I road bikes,, then used specific only cycle formulated oils after ruining a clutch (automotive oil ) on a bike, afterwards only used Bel-Ray and Kawasaki oils.
 
burbguy82 said:
This guy literally studies lubricants and their effects on machines. Knowing the deep down nitty gritty about the chemistry is one thing, but knowing the effects of products and the differences in application is another. Frankly, I could not care less what the oil is made of, or how much of one additive is has over another. I care about its effects.

It someone made a chicken poop, windex and donut batter oil, that relatively outperformed the best HPL, RP, Amsoil or M1 in an engine.........I would be using the chicken poop combo.
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let me ask you something. If this "Oil Expert" claimed he has the formula for an oil that will last 50 thousand miles in your vehicle between changes and doesn't require frequent testing, would you use it?. So in your vehicles lifetime it may only need 4-5 changes, would you use it?. And the expense would be the same as doing regularly scheduled 5k changes. Which would you be more comfortable doing?.,,
 
BigCahuna said:
let me ask you something. If this "Oil Expert" claimed he has the formula for an oil that will last 50 thousand miles in your vehicle between changes and doesn't require frequent testing, would you use it?. So in your vehicles lifetime it may only need 4-5 changes, would you use it?. And the expense would be the same as doing regularly scheduled 5k changes. Which would you be more comfortable doing?.,,
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Well I like changing fluids, and see the value in frequent changes.....especially the filter. So you can see what is going on. No product will make any difference if there is a mechanical issue or contamination issue. Would I go 50k, no.

I am not sure that "oil expert" is really the deal.....being an "expert" in oil or how the oil reacts in real world conditions are two different things.

I am or was a plumber, new construction, and good one......Charlotte Pipe would send interns yearly with me to see how the product was used, how it was installed, in the real world. You might be amazed on how different the product is measured, cut, cleaned, glued in the field, as opposed to what they are thought at new hire training for product specialist. these are the "experts" in PVC and cast iron pipe, learning from the field.....two different worlds. Some things done in the field are in direct conflict with their training and learning......it is a major disconnect in many industries actually.

My opposition to your POV, is: this guy has had years of experience seeing what works and what does not, through data. The source of the data can be argued, as with anything, but there is more data in that guys knowledge base than likely anyone on this site, with exception to a very possible few here. Some might know more about the product, but knowing the product and application are two different things.
 
I've watched a lot of Lake Speed Jrs videos, and enjoyed every single one of them. The guy knows his stuff, and then lays it out in such a way that everybody can understand. He is not arrogant about it, or feels a need to over complicate things. I just want the facts, and in a way that makes sense. He knows a thousand times more about oil, than I ever will, and I'll probably never get to step into an oil testing lab even once, much less 10,000 times. So I appreciate his doing these videos, and also explaining the tests, not just saying here is what I found.
If someone doesn't like his videos, then don't watch them.
If someone believes that he is incorrect, and they're a lot smarter, then build your own lab, and make videos of your testing, and results.
Me, I just really enjoy his videos, and am also a bit jealous, because he seems to have a very cool job.
 
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BigCahuna said:
let me ask you something. If this "Oil Expert" claimed he has the formula for an oil that will last 50 thousand miles in your vehicle between changes and doesn't require frequent testing, would you use it?.
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Depends on how much testing and validation was done to prove the claim. Just like anything else in the world.

In the semi world, it's very high efficiency oil filtration with a bypass filter system that allows very long OCIs, going out as far as 25K to 30K miles. Of course they have a large sump capacity which helps too.
 
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burbguy82 said:
Well I like changing fluids, and see the value in frequent changes.....especially the filter. So you can see what is going on. No product will make any difference if there is a mechanical issue or contamination issue. Would I go 50k, no.

I am not sure that "oil expert" is really the deal.....being an "expert" in oil or how the oil reacts in real world conditions are two different things.

I am or was a plumber, new construction, and good one......Charlotte Pipe would send interns yearly with me to see how the product was used, how it was installed, in the real world. You might be amazed on how different the product is measured, cut, cleaned, glued in the field, as opposed to what they are thought at new hire training for product specialist. these are the "experts" in PVC and cast iron pipe, learning from the field.....two different worlds. Some things done in the field are in direct conflict with their training and learning......it is a major disconnect in many industries actually.

My opposition to your POV, is: this guy has had years of experience seeing what works and what does not, through data. The source of the data can be argued, as with anything, but there is more data in that guys knowledge base than likely anyone on this site, with exception to a very possible few here. Some might know more about the product, but knowing the product and application are two different things.
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Testing and seeing what works in a lab situation is alot different that real world testing. In my real world situations, I've changed oil in alot of engines, used just about every brand of oil sold in more than a few auto stores, and some not sold in auto stores. I don't really care if people here don't agree with my real world experience. Gasoline and Diesel engines run on oil, pretty much any oil companies oil, not Data. Believe what and who you want.,,
 
BigCahuna said:
Testing and seeing what works in a lab situation is alot different that real world testing. In my real world situations, I've changed oil in alot of engines, used just about every brand of oil sold in more than a few auto stores, and some not sold in auto stores. I don't really care if people here don't agree with my real world experience. Gasoline and Diesel engines run on oil, pretty much any oil companies oil, not Data. Believe what and who you want.,,
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So your opinion, is based on the experience you have, changing oil in cars, using various types? What made you come to your conclusion? The engine didnt blow up? No visible chunks fell out of the drain?

My original statement on this thread had to do with my amazement on how LSJR and his experience is not welcomed all that much on BITOG, not anything having to do with your "experience" in changing oil.
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Below is a hypothetical that I am hearing:

Tribologist:

"Hi guys, my name is Joe Blow, I am a Tribologist, I study friction, lubrication and wear. I have 25 years of experience in the field, and have worked for my companies in my field"

Some BITOG members:

"Your an idiot"

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I do not understand this way of thinking.
 
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