LSJR Boutique vs OTS shootout

[4wd]

Does it track with any Moly content, or certain types of Moly? Some AMSOIL Signature Series VOA’s have shown a significant amount of Moly (>200ppm) and AMSOIL Signature Series still outperformed oils with a lower Moly Content (Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum).

AMSOIL Signature Series should compete at a price point …
Moly is one more reason it’s odd to have no Valvoline which tends to carry good moly for an OTC synthetic …

 

[RDY4WAR]

This makes me want to see 2 oil formulas in Teost. Same base oil, VII, and add pack, the only difference being one with 200 ppm dinuclear MoDTC and the other with 80 ppm trinuclear MoDTC. Which produces higher deposits?

 

[FranklinJL]

Ive used all the oils tested. I think Amsoil/HPL/Ravenol given their base oils and reputation are no surprise.........redline never does well in these tests, but In real applications, it seems to do well, and has been used well forever it seems like. Ill continue to use HPL/Ravenol in my cars.....Pennzoil Ultra Platinum has always done well in these tests also.......

Redline should have been tested with a 5w20........their 5w30 is really on the thick side of grade

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

So it seems if you are not using HPL for extended drain intervals, there is no reason to use HPL, as there are better options.

Wear is not the primary killer of engines. Really the only thing that matters for most daily driven vehicles is ring cleanliness. There’s evidence HPL excels at this.

 

[mojoe]

Wear is not the primary killer of engines. Really the only thing that matters for most daily driven vehicles is ring cleanliness. There’s evidence HPL excels at this.

Great point!

 

[edyvw]

Wear is not the primary killer of engines. Really the only thing that matters for most daily driven vehicles is ring cleanliness. There’s evidence HPL excels at this.

That+ deposits on variable valve train etc. Also, chain wear became big issue. BMW now runs specific chain test on N20 for their approval. Other things are not as of big deal unless engines have problems with (old M engines with rid bearings where choice of oil can postpone bearing replacement or accelerate).

 

[FranklinJL]

That+ deposits on variable valve train etc. Also, chain wear became big issue. BMW now runs specific chain test on N20 for their approval. Other things are not as of big deal unless engines have problems with (old M engines with rid bearings where choice of oil can postpone bearing replacement or accelerate).

Do you think these deposit tests really translate to real world applications? I've torn down and rebuilt I'd say 20-25 k20, and k24s, and never really seen deposits if the oil was changed with some type of frequency. Alot were run on redline oil also, which always fails in these types of tests.....its like a known thing with redline doing terrible in wear tests

 

[buster]

I think there are limitations to bench testing. Not to say it doesn't matter, but you have to consider real world service too in actual engines. It's possible some chemistry doesn't do well on the TEOST. GM has their own turbo test.

 

[ltslimjim]

@buster When it describes the purpose of TEOST and the mention there of seal hardening, is that all engine seals evaluated? Interesting detail regardless as the focus tended to be on deposits themselves.

 

[buster]

@buster When it describes the purpose of TEOST and the mention there of seal hardening, is that all engine seals evaluated? Interesting detail regardless as the focus tended to be on deposits themselves.

I'm not sure actually but it seems to suggest turbo seals.

 

[ltslimjim]

I'm not sure actually but it seems to suggest turbo seals.

I thought that may be so. Always curious.

 

[altaylar]

Definitely one the best videos he made.

Is "higher the hths better" crowd here?

 

[edyvw]

Do you think these deposit tests really translate to real world applications? I've torn down and rebuilt I'd say 20-25 k20, and k24s, and never really seen deposits if the oil was changed with some type of frequency. Alot were run on redline oil also, which always fails in these types of tests.....its like a known thing with redline doing terrible in wear tests

Absolutely. BMW VANOS is probably one of the most sophisticated ones and is very reliable. But deposits on solenoids and then failed solenoids are always coming from: "I used full synthetic oil." BMW has specific VANOS testing for its oil approval, and they are almost never a problem when approved or some good boutique oils are used.
So, I think it depends on the type of engine, how hot they run, etc.

 

[4wd]

Well, whilst this test might be red meat at BITOG - he didn’t exactly test oils that sell allot to the average driver going to work each day … Nor help a great deal of YouTubers …

 

[4wd]

Great video, happy with my oil selections.

Agree Liquid Molygen did not put up a good results. Shears like crazy even in an engine that doesn't have that many moving parts.

Not sure why that stuff was tested - this $21/jug oil would likely whip it …

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-S...uart/177257743?classType=VARIANT&from=/search

 

[4wd]

I liked this set of tests. One thing that stood out was how brutal the KRL test really is, all of these oils showed minimal shearing after two hours on the dyno. That taps into a question I’ve had for a while, how much real world use (daily driving or even HPDE track hours) would it take to mimic the KRL results?

One thing I will criticize is the choice of oils, the only other “off the shelf” oil that Pennzoil Ultra Platinum was put up against was Mobil 1 Truck and SUV which is certainly a choice. I know in a previous video that oil was shown to be pretty stout with AN in the base oil blend but why not go with Mobil 1 ESP which he’s also shown to be shockingly shear stable, along with being cheap and easier to find than Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.

If you really want to declare Pennzoil Ultra Platinum as the king of off the shelf oils you at least need Castrol and Valvoline in the mix. Mobil 1 wasn’t far off from Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, I’d wager within experimental error. Question for the crowd, what did Pennzoil Ultra Platinum do that was widely better than Mobil 1 Truck and SUV which again isn’t even their top tier oil unlike Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.

If you’re focusing on the TEOST deposit results the euro formulations of Mobil 1 (which ESP would cover), Castrol, and Valvoline should be in the mix. Those are also all cheap and easy to find.

Yep. Toss out the shear of LM - and run any of them at 5W-30 instead of 0W-20 - stay within OLM - then, bet they will all show iron PPM in a tight group …

 

[4wd]

It's amazing how common sense usage doesn't count for anything to some. Oil A produces less wear than oil B but wait! Lets argue against if it was a certified lab or not.

Shampoo also did great on a one arm bandit test …

 

[6.7 CTD]

Is "higher the hths better" crowd here?

Yep, still here.

What you’re missing by cherry-picking one data point is this: it’s the overall formulation—base oils plus additives—that allows a given HTHS viscosity to deliver real-world wear protection and efficiency.

You can’t just point to a single oil and say, “See, it had the highest HTHS and still performed poorly,” because that’s exactly what you’re doing—and it ignores every other aspect of the oil.

None of us in the “higher HTHS is better” camp are out here promoting oil stabilizers to increase viscosity and hths. We’re talking about properly engineered motor oils. One outlier in a test doesn’t validate your opinion, or negate years of evidence based data.

The difference matters.

Here’s some reading material for you.
https://www.aftonchemical.com/resou...-12400-there-for-the-long-haul/low-hths-oils/

 

[altaylar]

Yep, still here.

What you’re missing by cherry-picking one data point is this: it’s the overall formulation—base oils plus additives—that allows a given HTHS viscosity to deliver real-world wear protection and efficiency.

You can’t just point to a single oil and say, “See, it had the highest HTHS and still performed poorly,” because that’s exactly what you’re doing—and it ignores every other aspect of the oil.

None of us in the “higher HTHS is better” camp are out here promoting oil stabilizers to increase viscosity and hths. We’re talking about properly engineered motor oils. One outlier in a test doesn’t validate your opinion, or negate years of evidence based data.

The difference matters.

Here’s some reading material for you.
https://www.aftonchemical.com/resou...-12400-there-for-the-long-haul/low-hths-oils/

And all this time i was thinking ranking oil solely on hths was using a single data point and ignoring all the rest.
Because, it is?

 

[6.7 CTD]

And all this time i was thinking ranking oil solely on hths was using a single data point and ignoring all the rest.
Because, it is?

“Ranking” based on quality oils WITH a high HTHS. No one is shilling 20w50 from the mom-and-pop gas station in the middle of nowhere.

Common sense is like deodorant. The people who need it most never use it.