LSJR Boutique vs OTS shootout

[GW.]

So it seems if you are not using HPL for extended drain intervals, there is no reason to use HPL, as there are better options.

That or in severe service/applications where shear stability is important. Fuel dilution?

 

[GW.]

LM did better than I would have thought. Just watched the video. V. comprehensive testing. I saw the most viscosity shear in my dataset with the Molygen but I was using the 5W-40 Euro blend vs. this 5W-30 variant.

LM definitely has some secret sauce!

 

[TiGeo]

That or in severe service/applications where shear stability is important. Fuel dilution?

That's essentially why I run HPL. Even though I use the Euro 5W-40 which has VIIs it still holds out better than any other oil I've tried for track use.

 

[buster]

"When it comes to engine oils, there isn't one best oil. All of these oils have different characteristics, and depending on what your application is, one of the chemistries here might be better for you". - LSJ

 

[GW.]

Cost. If shipping was included this would change. There’s a cost vs performance chart I couldn’t get a clear shot of because it was in the background. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum was #1.

 

[RDY4WAR]

I really don't like that he used Teost with these oils. It's well known here that Teost is falling out of favor and gives false high results with oils that have high amounts of moly-based additives. The Teost results scale pretty much linearly with the concentration of moly. However, the 3 oils that performed worst in Teost have no turbo deposit/coking issues in the real world. HPL is used in fleets of turbo engines going 15k mile intervals or longer for 200k+ miles in high heat climates with no turbo issues at all. I also don't like that he used total wear metals as a comparison when there's only a 1-2 ppm between a lot of them on individual metals. They're all within the margin of error of RDE and ICP. I consider all of those results to be the same within MoE. There's no comparison to be made there. Only running the engine for 2 hours isn't going to tell much either.

 

[4wd]

There should have been one of the top Valvoline oils in this test - not just the rock bottom NAPA being representative of them …
Any formula come to mind?

 

[buster]

In all seriousness, the TEOST has come under questioning in the past. I believe I posted about it several years ago. It's still a legit test and Amsoil among others use it so they must think it has some relevance. However, if HPL and RL do not find that their oils in the field leave any turbo deposits behind then there is nothing to be concerned about.

 

[4wd]

I don’t think Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is typically/historically cheaper than Mobil 1 …

 

[GW.]

I don’t think Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is typically cheaper than Mobil 1 …

Only recently at Walmart but it usually isn’t.

 

[4wd]

Only recently at Walmart but it usually isn’t.

Yes, I added historically …!

 

[wings&wheels]

I really don't like that he used Teost with these oils. It's well known here that Teost is falling out of favor and gives false high results with oils that have high amounts of moly-based additives. The Teost results scale pretty much linearly with the concentration of moly. However, the 3 oils that performed worst in Teost have no turbo deposit/coking issues in the real world. HPL is used in fleets of turbo engines going 15k mile intervals or longer for 200k+ miles in high heat climates with no turbo issues at all. I also don't like that he used total wear metals as a comparison when there's only a 1-2 ppm between a lot of them on individual metals. They're all within the margin of error of RDE and ICP. I consider all of those results to be the same within MoE. There's no comparison to be made there. Only running the engine for 2 hours isn't going to tell much either.

Agree and to be truly effective, the tests also should have been run several times for each oil in other orders. That said, this was better than most and the TEOST test does have me slightly rethinking Redline, my go-to oil, in a new to us vintage non water-cooled turbo...

 

[GW.]

Like I mentioned in my original post AMSOIL Signature Series was consistently great in almost every category. IMO that’s pretty darn impressive. Can’t wait until March for the new and improved formulation!

 

[4wd]

Only recently at Walmart but it usually isn’t.

It’s interesting with all the complaints about today’s costs - this remains a competitive commodity …

 

[4wd]

Like I mentioned in my original post AMSOIL Signature Series was consistently good in almost every category. IMO that’s pretty darn impressive.

Maybe Pablo won’t shank LSJr so bad now

 

[Zee09]

It's amazing how Chevron Supreme SS gave HPL a run for It's money

 

[Pablo]

I’m only going to post one critical comment and it should be accepted by anyone who is a CQE, or really anyone in real world product evaluations and statistical analysis. There are a few other things I could say but will say he put a LOT of work and time in this. Absolutely awesome really. And he was publicly fair. No doubt about it.

Such comparisons are so much better when performed double blind. Subconscious bias is a real thing.

Oh and wear metals are really a statistical tie.

 

[buster]

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is better than I thought. Never cared much for Pennzoil but Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is no doubt a very good/competitive oil.

 

[4wd]

I’m only going to post one critical comment and it should be accepted by anyone who is a CQE, or really anyone in real world product evaluations and statistical analysis. There are a few other things I could say but will say he put a LOT of work and time in this. Absolutely awesome really. And he was publicly fair. No doubt about it.

Such comparisons are so much better when performed double blind. Subconscious bias is a real thing.

Oh and wear metals are really a statistical tie.

Winner winner dinner …

 

[GW.]

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is better than I thought. Never cared much for Pennzoil but Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is no doubt a very good/competitive oil.

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is no joke.