LSJR Boutique vs OTS shootout

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facility1 said:
personally I like to think outside of the box,,,,,,,,THERE are many good oils on the market other than MOBIL.
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2024 BITOG "post your latest oil change" totals:
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mojoe said:
I fully believe that most people could run nothing but SuperTech/Kirkland synthetic, change it every 3-5k miles and use good filters, . . . . if their car failed before 250K miles, it won't be because they used the wrong oil.
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Your Outback is the perfect vehicle to change your mind on that notion.

Give this a read

AMSOIL Signature Series is a smart move in that vehicle and Valvoline Restore and Protect in your others. Valvoline Restore and Protect could also be a lifetime oil choice in the Outback.
 
UncleDave said:
Im thrilled so many products are available for me to use.

Basic approvals didnt keep my J35 clean.

Boutique stuff does.

My Titan chews oil down like a puppy at the Sunday Times.
I can target this problem with specific oil now.
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What are you running in each now?

Great example of how "any quality synthetic changed every 5k is fine" doesn't work for everyone. It works for many, which is why it's so often repeated here, but not all.
 
^^^^ good choices,,also if you can find Havoline Pro -Ds works good also, Castrol EDGE Extended Performance . is a fine oil.
 
tired said:
Your Outback is the perfect vehicle to change your mind on that notion.

Give this a read

AMSOIL Signature Series is a smart move in that vehicle and Valvoline Restore and Protect in your others. Valvoline Restore and Protect could also be a lifetime oil choice in the Outback.
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Yes, I have read about Glenda's experience with the Outback. So far, mine isn't burning any oil. I like the Amsoil for a lot of reasons, but really feel good about longer OCIs (like yearly) with it. I really like everything I've read and heard about Valvoline Restore and Protect as well, and while all of the hype is over it's ability to RESTORE, I suspect it can PROTECT pretty good as well, just not for as long as Amsoil. I agree, either would be excellent lifetime choices.
 
tired said:
What are you running in each now?

Great example of how "any quality synthetic changed every 5k is fine" doesn't work for everyone. It works for many, which is why it's so often repeated here, but not all.
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I dont like leading with brands, so I dont talk about that until asked as Im not selling anything or pushing anything or on any "bandwagon" as people have been accused of.

For the trucks its HPL in the sumps and AMSOIL for my gears.

I performed the experiment to prove to myself (and I wanted to prove it to bitog) a boutique oil was a waste of money in my application.

I was wrong.

HPL liberated carbon that should not have been there to begin with running SN and SN+ high quality off the shelf oils. (PP, M1, Valvoline, Idemitsu)

I wasn't a 5K changer I went by the Honda MM which ranged from 6K to 9K, and a flat 7500 in the Titan which isn't forming carbon but will shear out of grade within the OCI.

I cut every filter and the evidence was right in front of my face as well as posted here.
 
UncleDave said:
HPL liberated carbon that should not have been there to begin with running SN and SN+ high quality off the shelf oils. (PP, M1, Valvoline, Idemitsu)

I wasn't a 5K changer I went by the Honda MM which ranged from 6K to 9K, and a flat 7500 in the Titan which isn't forming carbon but will shear out of grade within the OCI.

I cut every filter and the evidence was right in front of my face as well as posted here.
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Great testimonial related to your experiences related to your vehicles.

Are you still following the Honda MM? The lowest I've gone was 50% (5.6k miles) running AMSOIL Signature Series. The filter had more carbon than I've seen in one, and this last oil change was at 10k total miles on the 2025 Pilot. Seriously concerned with the overall amount of carbon so early in this J35Y8's life.
 
mojoe said:
Yes, I have read about Glenda's experience with the Outback. So far, mine isn't burning any oil. I like the Amsoil for a lot of reasons, but really feel good about longer OCIs (like yearly) with it. I really like everything I've read and heard about Valvoline Restore and Protect as well, and while all of the hype is over it's ability to RESTORE, I suspect it can PROTECT pretty good as well, just not for as long as Amsoil. I agree, either would be excellent lifetime choices.
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If I had to do it over again I would’ve done 10k oci’s(maybe longer) with AMSOIL Signature Series and avoided piston deposits and saved time and money. In the meantime the ESP test continues!

I have decided to run AMSOIL Signature Series in my Jeep that gets abused.
 
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Lake is doing a great job with videos.
But if he's not wearing out a soft camshaft running flat tappets, I don't think you have to worry running any of those oils that he tested, nor probably any low priced syn from Warren either.
 
Maybe I missed it, but the number of full days it took to accomplish this, it would be interesting to see the total cost, oil, filters, dyno run time as well as oil analysis.
 
rstcso said:
Great testimonial related to your experiences related to your vehicles.

Are you still following the Honda MM? The lowest I've gone was 50% (5.6k miles) running AMSOIL Signature Series. The filter had more carbon than I've seen in one, and this last oil change was at 10k total miles on the 2025 Pilot. Seriously concerned with the overall amount of carbon so early in this J35Y8's life.
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With ester based oil I follow the MM down to 0, and am getting close to 10K out of the recommendation.
When I ran off the shelf stuff I'd change out the sump when it got to about 20% remaining.

This design is a known carbon maker so I'll continue to run ester based oil on it.
I buy it on holiday sales and I dont run the ultra premium versions.

I ended up running out of the HPL and used Mobil 1 on this current interval

Im also an AMSOIL fan. They make superb products.
 
Astro14 said:
How are you determining “less wear” - because if it’s Project Farm methodology - I am not sure you achieved valid results. The one arm bandit test is meaningless, and yet, he employs that kind of testing.

I’ll trust Lake Speed Jr. a lot more than Project Farm, who destroys tools in the name of “testing” even though the destruction has little to do with tool performance and design, and more to do with gratifying his audience.
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I’d say the wear metal test is pretty decent for determining wear metals
 
Mainia said:
Who do you believe their tests are more accurate, Blackstone or Polaris Labs? Or are they the same in your eyes?
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It’s not a religion so belief isn’t a real factor. So long as the same same testing method is used across the board the end result is still valid.
 
kschachn said:
If they did it was because of faulty data, their “tests” did nothing to gain actual and relevant data.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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The only way someone can be correct is faulty data? Real world usage produces no results for you?
 
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