Lots of new Ram trucks rotting on dealer lots it seems

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Yes they did...they called it the 3L Eco Diesel...and yes, it had reliability issues.

That engine was supplied by VM Motori.

 

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I dunno, Ford produced the 6.0 and 6.4 diesel from '03 to '10

And the 3V Tritons from '04 to as late as '14. Everyone knew they sucked and a high percentage are no longer on the road due to mechanical issues and cost of repair, but people still bought them.

I honestly don't know how Ford survived all that, but they did. Can Ram do the same? Probably.

I'm pretty much a Ford guy but a spade is a spade. In fact just three days ago the wife's '08 F150 threw a P0345 and I hear some phaser pin chatter. I should take my own advice!!

I mean, like with the EcoDiesel, the 6.0L PSD and the 6.4L PSD weren't actually products of the respective marques, in the case of the PSD, those were International engines. The 6.4L PSD was the final nail in the coffin for the decades-long relationship between Ford and International, and was what resulted in Ford building the Scorpion 6.7L in-house.

 

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I mean, like with the EcoDiesel, the 6.0L PSD and the 6.4L PSD weren't actually products of the respective marques, in the case of the PSD, those were International engines. The 6.4L PSD was the final nail in the coffin for the decades-long relationship between Ford and International, and was what resulted in Ford building the Scorpion 6.7L in-house.

Sure but if you were making payments on one I don't think you cared who built the engine

And Ford has nowhere to hide on the 3Vs. That was all them.

TEAM TTB!!!!

 

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Sure but if you were making payments on one I don't think you cared who built the engine

And Ford has nowhere to hide on the 3Vs. That was all them.

TEAM TTB!!!!

Yes, the 3V was a disaster, lol. Just mentioning the International relationship because my buddy was a school bus mechanic and the Maxxforce 7 was an absolute steaming pile in non-Ford trim as well, lol. That was a very expensive lesson for Ford and one I expect them not anticipating having to learn, given how well the 444 served them (7.3L PSD).

 

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They are just too expensive. They'll be more likely to sell if they lower the price or pour on more incentives.

 

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They are just too expensive. They'll be more likely to sell if they lower the price or pour on more incentives.

Seeing some pretty good cuts from MSRP now - but that window sticker is a pretty high starting point …

 

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Seeing some pretty good cuts from MSRP now - but that window sticker is a pretty high starting point …

Its a start, but like you mention the price is too high to begin with.

 

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They are just too expensive. They'll be more likely to sell if they lower the price or pour on more incentives.

They have gotten themselves in a bind, because technically the dealers own the inventory even though its usually "floor planned" by the OEM.

So if they dole out incentives they take a hit on current profitability. Of course if they don't sell what they have already produced the dealers don't want more inventory.

I think a bunch of OEM's are sitting on their hands hoping for some miracle to save them - kicking the can along until it does.

 

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They have gotten themselves in a bind, because technically the dealers own the inventory even though its usually "floor planned" by the OEM.

So if they dole out incentives they take a hit on current profitability. Of course if they don't sell what they have already produced the dealers don't want more inventory.

I think a bunch of OEM's are sitting on their hands hoping for some miracle to save them - kicking the can along until it does.

You do have a good point. More incentive money will mean lower profits and the bean counters watch that pretty closely...