Liquimoly does have MoS2! Ok....a bit of additive sub-forum clickbait

[kschachn]

Yes, i know. The difference in MPG is hard to tell. But it would be nice to see a before-after test. On a big engine with lots of friction one maybe should see a difference. 1000 Miles and logging the MPG, and then add the LM additve and do again 1000 Miles and lets see the difference.

No. But there is a standardized ASTM test that will definitively show if the oil with the additive makes a difference and the test will quantify the difference. This test eliminates all the myriad of variables present in everyday driving. 1000 miles is irrelevant here since no arbitrary distance will get rid of the tens if not hundreds of variables. They actually get worse at that time frame.

Hopefully Liqui Moly has run such a test to back up any claims they may be making. They should disclose the results.

 

[demarpaint]

Hopefully Liqui Moly has run such a test to back up any claims they may be making. They should disclose the results.

Don't hold your breath waiting for those results.

 

[sk_pete]

i think i see some change, but it is visible only when tempomat in city speeds and on flat.
otherwise its all over the place......
or maybe it does something after all......
(using less lpg does skew the data)

but if i add both co2 together, still it´s this year less....so it works.

 

[kschachn]

i think i see some change, but it is visible only when tempomat in city speeds and on flat.
otherwise its all over the place......
or maybe it does something after all......
(using less lpg does skew the data)
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but if i add both co2 together, still it´s this year less....so it works.

What?

 

[Jetronic]

I guess the first set was without additives, the second with, and over 7000 odd km he consumed less fuel.

But the difference is bigger than a friction reduction would get you imo....

 

[sk_pete]

Yes
When you look at lpg only, it looks big. But need to consider both fuels, to get relevant picture.
So you must count both co2 together.

 

[Jetronic]

10% of total consumption is still a big number, just from friction reduction. Because engine friction only makes up a small percentage of fuel used, the rest is lost as heat to coolant or doing useful work, or going out the exhaust. It would likely mean 50% friction reduction. And a lot of that is hydrodynamic friction, which isn't impacted by moly.

 

[hrv]

Schlangenol.....

 

[hrv]

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Bless me Liqui Moly for I have sinned....My last oil change I did not use you.....

 

[ChristianReske]

No. But there is a standardized ASTM test that will definitively show if the oil with the additive makes a difference and the test will quantify the difference. This test eliminates all the myriad of variables present in everyday driving. 1000 miles is irrelevant here since no arbitrary distance will get rid of the tens if not hundreds of variables. They actually get worse at that time frame.

Hopefully Liqui Moly has run such a test to back up any claims they may be making. They should disclose the results.

I read postings of people who stated that they noticed a better MPG and a lot of reports that the car rolls longer and easier when you "Engine brake" with a manual transmission after they used LM MoS² or Ceratec. Just saying. Is this all delusion?
It would be interesting to see real test results.

 

[ChristianReske]

And if it does not reduce friction.... why is it so catastrophic to use LM MoS² and Ceratec in a Motorcycle with a wet clutch?
This stuff added to motorcycle oil will make the clutch slipping. You need a new clutch.
Proove: Yes, it reduces friction.

The question is how much does it affect engine wear and MPG.

 

[demarpaint]

I read postings of people who stated that they noticed a better MPG and a lot of reports that the car rolls longer and easier when you "Engine brake" with a manual transmission after they used LM MoS² or Ceratec. Just saying. Is this all delusion?
It would be interesting to see real test results.

You won't see test results for two reasons, one cost, and two they won't show anything that would benefit the company. They'll do better selling the product with testimony and antidotal evidence which proves nothing, and people believe it, a big win for the company. JMO

 

[kschachn]

I read postings of people who stated that they noticed a better MPG and a lot of reports that the car rolls longer and easier when you "Engine brake" with a manual transmission after they used LM MoS² or Ceratec. Just saying. Is this all delusion?
It would be interesting to see real test results.

Not a delusion, I never said that it was. They notice what they notice. But there is zero ability to ascribe what they notice to a specific variable that is as deep into the noise as the hundred other variables in driving.

And rolling longer and easier is just dumb if you think that is attributable to an engine oil additive. So the totality of rolling friction can be parsed using the butt dyno?

Here is a good post from someone who knows a lot more than I do, this is specifically about gasoline brand but it applies here as well:

Best Brand of Gasoline

Get all my Premium at Sam's Club. Other places around here are 40-50 cents more expensive than Sam's Club premium, making it well worth driving a couple extra miles to fill it up. Get my 87 wherever it's convenient.

bobistheoilguy.com

 

[PoorMans180SX]

It's called the placebo effect, and it's a strong one.

 

[TiGeo]

I read postings of people who stated that they noticed a better MPG and a lot of reports that the car rolls longer and easier when you "Engine brake" with a manual transmission after they used LM MoS² or Ceratec. Just saying. Is this all delusion?
It would be interesting to see real test results.

I don't think it's a question of whether MoS2 is a friction reducer, there is/plenty of engineering/scientific testing/papers to show that. The question is does it reduce mpgs in any meaningful/measurable way in a street-driven ICE...no idea.

 

[TiGeo]

You won't see test results for two reasons, one cost, and two they won't show anything that would benefit the company. They'll do better selling the product with testimony and antidotal evidence which proves nothing, and people believe it, a big win for the company. JMO

I hope M1 has testing for these claims on their new Triple Action Formula...especially that it maximizes power!

BITOG: "LM uses too much BS marketing"
Penzoil" "hold my beer!"

I'm glad Joey L. uses Penzoil which clearly helped him win by reducing friction (inferred) and gaining an edge over his competition...now you can have that same oil in your 20 year old Camry and achieve the same results on your way to 7-11 for your lottery ticket!

 

[demarpaint]

I hope M1 has testing for these claims on their new Triple Action Formula...especially that it maximizes power!View attachment 129536

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BITOG: "LM uses too much BS marketing"
Penzoil" "hold my beer!"

I'm glad Joey L. uses Penzoil which clearly helped him win by reducing friction (inferred) and gaining an edge over his competition...now you can have that same oil in your 20 year old Camry and achieve the same results on your way to 7-11 for your lottery ticket!
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Why not ask XOM? Me I'll put my faith in XOM over LM any day of the week. Come to think of it I'll do the same with Pennzoil over LM.

 

[TiGeo]

Why not ask XOM? Me I'll put my faith in XOM over LM any day of the week. Come to think of it I'll do the same with Pennzoil over LM.

The same could be said for those asking questions about LM additives....just email them and ask for their testing/results.

 

[ChristianReske]

And rolling longer and easier is just dumb if you think that is attributable to an engine oil additive. So the totality of rolling friction can be parsed using the butt dyno?

Here is a good post from someone who knows a lot more than I do, this is specifically about gasoline brand but it applies here as well:

Best Brand of Gasoline

Get all my Premium at Sam's Club. Other places around here are 40-50 cents more expensive than Sam's Club premium, making it well worth driving a couple extra miles to fill it up. Get my 87 wherever it's convenient.

bobistheoilguy.com

Some people did not notice a completly flat tyre and drive along on the rim through the city the whole day. Others notice 1 PSI difference in tyre air pressure. People are different, not calibrated dynos.
The posting about the different fuels is O.K., the points are valid. But thats different to Engine braking. I think a driver wich owns a car for a certain time will "Know" the behaviour and should be able to notice a difference in engine braking, if there is a difference.
Saying this, do you own or have you ever owned a car with manual transmission?

 

[kschachn]

Some people did not notice a completly flat tyre and drive along on the rim through the city the whole day. Others notice 1 PSI difference in tyre air pressure. People are different, not calibrated dynos.
The posting about the different fuels is O.K., the points are valid. But thats different to Engine braking. I think a driver wich owns a car for a certain time will "Know" the behaviour and should be able to notice a difference in engine braking, if there is a difference.
Saying this, do you own or have you ever owned a car with manual transmission?

Yes, if I count correctly I have owned four including my current ECHO. An '80-something Ford Escort wagon, an '81 Mazda 626, a '79 that I will not mention for fear of ridicule, and my '00 ECHO.