Like I said.....only a matter of time for EV's to be cost competitive

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SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Elon Musk has said the only thing holding back electric vehicle (EV) sales is their price.

Companies like BYD are solving that problem in China – and getting ready to solve it for the world.

China's largest EV maker unveiled this week the Seagull at the Shanghai auto show, shocking analysts and rivals with the car's specs: a battery range of more than 300 kilometers (186 miles) and a starting price of just over $11,000 – about a quarter of the price of most EVs now on the market in Europe.

"The Seagull is another manifestation of the aggressive deflationary pressures coming from (Chinese) automakers," Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas said in a note for investors, predicting a "more aggressive push" from Chinese companies to sell entry-level EVs outside China.

Musk's Tesla cut prices in the U.S. for the sixth time since the start of the year on Tuesday, looking to drive demand in the face of economic uncertainty and growing competition. Tesla's price cuts have prompted other automakers, including in China, to follow suit.

But the Shanghai show and the Seagull highlight a related dynamic: Chinese automakers are now leading the world in making EVs that compete on price and technology for the average budget.

And many more of those cars from BYD and its rivals will be headed to Europe, Southeast Asia and other overseas markets, threatening established automakers, executives and analysts said.

Patrick Koller, chief executive of French auto supplier Faurecia, said the entry-level EV market in Europe was an open lane for Chinese automakers.

“I think an attractive car for Chinese consumers will be an attractive car for a European consumer,” he told Reuters.

Koller said he had met with the CEO or chairman of more than two dozen Chinese automakers in Shanghai. Many are looking to export to Europe, he said.

Because of their "fantastic competitive advantage," Koller predicted Chinese automakers could look to sell one million cars per year in Europe, equivalent to 8% of the market last year.
 
Letting the Chicoms dominate the EV market here will be a disaster. Like when the camel gets his nose under your tent he wants to come in (and squeeze you out). 'Industrial suicide' says this guy;This is industrial suicide,” said James Kennedy, a U.S. mine owner and rare earths expert, in an April 17 interview with The Epoch Times.


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My biggest issue with EV is having to replace an expensive battery 10 years down the road.

It really depends on how it is programmed and allowed to be charged etc. I know with the new Toyota/Subaru EV they don't allow much fast charging but because of that they expect the battery will still be at 90% capacity at the ten year mark.
 
This Seagull EV will not meet crash standards here. Other similar Chinese vehicles have scored zero stars in the Latin American crash testing. Of course they don't get tested here because they aren't sold here.

While I would normally agree, and Euro testing is different than USA, but I would imagine if it passes Euro testing it wouldn't take much to meet US standards either.
 
My biggest issue with EV is having to replace an expensive battery 10 years down the road.

Hopefully most states adopt the California EV consumer protection laws. Ultimately, EVs in California must still have a minimum 80% battery range left at 10 years / 150,000 miles.

Part of the CA 2035 EV law included warranty requirements.
 
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My biggest issue with EV is having to replace an expensive battery 10 years down the road.
That would be a concern. But Tesla batteries seem to hold up very well. I've seen reports of only a small loss of range after 4 - 500,000 miles. And that's after a lot of fast charging. Typical overnight level 2 charging to a typical 80% should be even better.

And the new lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery on the entry level Model 3 is said to be even better. It has other advantages and disadvantages but a very long life is said to be one of its advantages.
 
While I would normally agree, and Euro testing is different than USA, but I would imagine if it passes Euro testing it wouldn't take much to meet US standards either.
They are equally stringent. In EU they have an emphasis on some stuff more than here, and here on other stuff.
 
As the way the tech is now, it'll be much like modern ICE car powertrains. The body will fall apart before the battery gives up.
I'm sure that's the case in Wisconsin, but in GA there are tons of rust free perfectly serviceable 20yo cars on the road. I don't see that happening when everything is electric. Hope I'm wrong though.
 
Despite the news of cost reductions and battery breakthroughs. I can't purchase a capable EV (one that can go some distance, has adequate room, and fast charge on trips) for less than $50K.

By way of comparison, the Nissan Sentra is available for $20K, and can be recharged in 3 minutes, can go 400 miles on a charge at 85MPH and is EXACTLY the same size as the Model 3.
 
EV's have 95% less moving parts than ICE....think about that one.....
This is the real reason why they're winners. I'm having a hard time not buying a second one with these Tesla price drops. VW scheduled maintenance isn't cheap.
 
My biggest issue with EV is having to replace an expensive battery 10 years down the road.
Sell the car at 9 years.
As the way the tech is now, it'll be much like modern ICE car powertrains. The body will fall apart before the battery gives up.
Not in the southwest. I recently bought a rust free 2002 Wrangler.
 
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