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ok so i want to get opinions not fact here. everyone to say yes or no to this question. if the answer is no explaine why you feel that way.

" CAN USING A HIGH QUALITY OIL (MOBIL1, AMSOIL, ROYAL PURPLE, REDLINE, ETC)AND HIGH QUALITY FILTER FROM BIRTH OF AN ENGINE CHANGED REGULARLY OR BEFORE RECOMENDED CHANGES PROLONG THE LIFE OF AN ENGINE? "
 
"HIGH QUALITY OIL" - this is imprecise. I would consider any oil that meets the specs required by my car's manufacturer to be of high quality. So, if it's a difference between an oil that carries such specs and one that doesn't then yes, the former "CAN" (but doesn't have to) prolong the engine's life.
 
No. UOAs seem to show very little difference in wear metals between modern motor oils, and there are plenty of non-oil-lubricated things on the engine that will probably fail before the major mechanical stuff anyway.

Just use whatever the manufacturer of the engine recommends and worry about something more useful, like spending more time with your kids or improving your job skills or volunteering for a worthy charity. Motor oil should be very near the bottom of the list of priorities in life, despite BITOG. The manufacturer doesn't want your engine to fail prematurely either, and they spent a lot of time a money engineering the thing to work a certain way for a certain time. I have no problem following their recommendations since I'm not an engineer. I paid them a lot of money to know what they were doing when they wrote the manual and built the engine. Why would I second guess that at the expense of my valuable time and money?
 
Yes, but not enough to matter and prolly not enough to measure with any degree of confidence.
 
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Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
The manufacturer doesn't want your engine to fail prematurely either, and they spent a lot of time a money engineering the thing to work a certain way for a certain time. I have no problem following their recommendations since I'm not an engineer. I paid them a lot of money to know what they were doing when they wrote the manual and built the engine. Why would I second guess that at the expense of my valuable time and money?

You are blissfully assuming here that the engineer's recommendations make it to the owner's manual. In real world, that is not always the case. After the Finance and Marketing department get done with these engineering recommendations, the owner's manual start looking a lot different (read: lifetime fluids).
 
Yes.
However, this also depends upon the build quality of the engine. Weak parts or poor assembly can lead to premature engine failure no matter what oil is used. Disregarding other maintenance issues will also factor into engine life. Allow an all aluminum engine to severely overheat at any mileage, will shorten its service life whether it has Amsoil or 99 cent a quart Frankenmix.
 
Originally Posted By: J. A. Rizzo
No. UOAs seem to show very little difference in wear metals between modern motor oils, and there are plenty of non-oil-lubricated things on the engine that will probably fail before the major mechanical stuff anyway.

Just use whatever the manufacturer of the engine recommends and worry about something more useful, like spending more time with your kids or improving your job skills or volunteering for a worthy charity. Motor oil should be very near the bottom of the list of priorities in life, despite BITOG. The manufacturer doesn't want your engine to fail prematurely either, and they spent a lot of time a money engineering the thing to work a certain way for a certain time. I have no problem following their recommendations since I'm not an engineer. I paid them a lot of money to know what they were doing when they wrote the manual and built the engine. Why would I second guess that at the expense of my valuable time and money?


UOA's do not give you an accurate representation of how an engine is wearing. This is why manufacturers and oil companies use tear-down testing. BuickGN had no bearings left, but fantastic UOA's! Doug Hillary did tear-down testing at 1.2 million Km on one of his OTR trucks and everything spec'd within new. This was with 150ppm Fe as the condemnation limit for oil contamination in his UOA's! That engine is STILL going strong with 2.5 million on it now....

UOA's are a great tool for tracking oil life, contamination and looking for spikes in wear metals that MIGHT indicate an internal condition that needs to be looked at, but they are not a replacement for tear-down testing, and since they only sample a narrow spectrum of particulate size, they are not a good tool to monitor engine "wear" with. Doug's 150ppm limit would have most people on here who do UOA's having a stroke.... Tom NJ has also recently touched upon this topic.

A great analogy that was used a while ago was that using UOA's to monitor engine wear is like trying to use a blood pressure machine to predict heart attacks
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Both tools are useful in their own right, but not very much so for the application depicted.

I concur with the second half of your statement completely. Use what the manufacturer recommends. The oil company and engine manufacturer do extensive field testing with tear-downs to monitor wear and oil life. Choosing a lubricant that falls within the range and specs listed by your manufacturer basically assures your engine will have a long life. To really capitalize on the benefits of a synthetic, one must be racing and/or running extended drains. Or starting their vehicle in incredibly cold conditions where a 0-weight is helpful.
 
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Originally Posted By: XS650
Yes, but not enough to matter and prolly not enough to measure with any degree of confidence.


I agree with this completely.

There are literally millions of cars on the road today whose owners just do the minimum of maintenance, including oil changes with whatever kind of oil that is on sale or what the dealer/auto mechanic puts in the engine, and the engines in these cars are still working fine when something else fails on the car and finally puts the car out to pasture.
 
The highest mileage cars I`ve always seen run dino oil. I personally don`t know anyone who uses synthetics,except on chat forums. Everyone I know uses dino.
 
There are many other factors just as important as the quality of oil that go into making an engine last longer.

Items like air filter, coolant, spark plugs..etc...basically regular maintenance will trump what quality of SM oil you use.
 
If by high quality, you mean "has to be synthetic", then no.

If by high quality you mean SM/GF-4 oil from any manufacturer, then yes.

Oil filter media seems of little importance - the construction quality is more important IMO. Air filter quality is of utmost importance - the inlet side of the engine is the main source of engine damaging contaminants.

The Ford Van that reached one million miles was mostly run on conventional Valvoline. The 1 million mile Chevy truck was run on Pennzoil conventional.

Now, in extreme cold climates wear cold weather properties are of utmost importance, then yes, I'd say high quality (if you mean that to say synthetic oil) synthetic oil can extend engine life.
 
Oh, and I don't believe changing oil at shorter intervals will extend engine life what-so-ever, as long as intervals are done with respect to the OEM specifications. However, for cases such as vehicles with know internal coolant leak issues such as many GMs, then I'd say shortening oil change intervals could increase engine life. Also, known sludgers would get increased engine life from shorter intervals (for sludgers using conventional oil).
 
Any regular SM rated dino oil changed at 3K miles or 5,000km with any old filter will work just the same as a High-quality Synthetic with a really good oil filter like a WIX, Amsoil etc. with prolonged change intervals. IMO.
 
Yes and no.

NO: For the average vehicle, driven in an average climate, driven in an average manner, you'll see very little difference between you "high quality" oils as defined in the original post and lesser quality oils that aren't synthetic.

YES: Now if your vehicle is high performance or is known to be tough on oil, or has a turbo or supercharger, or is driven in extreme climates, or is driven extremely aggressively, I'd say you will see longer engine life with a "high quality" oil as defined above. However, the improvement may be quite small.

I think just doing maintenance is the important thing - not what oil/filter you use.

If taken care of, most car engines just don't wear out. Usually, something non-oil related fails, wrecking the engine. Prime example: a coworker just broke a con-rod in a 1997 Ford F-150 with the V-6 motor, with under 75,000 miles. Completely non-oil related - and I believe he was running synthetic oil.

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If I lived in a moderate/hot climate I would use Dino, but I have frigid cold winters where I live and the flow rate of synthetic makes starting my vehicle in the winter much easier and helps to save from wear-tear.
 
Since you are asking for a opinion, I like Castrol, cars seems to run smoother with it, I do not use them since they are not priced right. I think the frequency of change is the most important, sooner during peak of winter and peak of summer, longer in fall and spring. Shorter Peak oil changes is what I am contributing to the question.
 
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