It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
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Originally Posted By: clinebarger
Originally Posted By: hatt
Towing how much? My 5.0 would probably smoke the tires doing that if you turned off all the traction control.
I want to know what all you guys were doing 20-30 years ago without 800ftlbs under the hood. I never remember anyone talking about how much of a dog their 454 was.
The Coyote is a pretty impressive engine, But it will not break the tires loose at 50mph on dry pavement in a F150.
Towed travel trailers with 454's 'til the late 90's, While they would do the job.....They also wore out fast, Drank oil, & guzzled gas. Compared to a Turbo Diesel they were dogs when loaded down.
A 454 might actually have some relevance, if it had been produced for trucks in the last 15 years! Forget the 454, try an 8100, a 6.0 Vortec, a 30-valve V10, a 6.4 Hemi, or Ford's 6.2 Hurricane V8.
Originally Posted By: hatt
Towing how much? My 5.0 would probably smoke the tires doing that if you turned off all the traction control.
I want to know what all you guys were doing 20-30 years ago without 800ftlbs under the hood. I never remember anyone talking about how much of a dog their 454 was.
The Coyote is a pretty impressive engine, But it will not break the tires loose at 50mph on dry pavement in a F150.
Towed travel trailers with 454's 'til the late 90's, While they would do the job.....They also wore out fast, Drank oil, & guzzled gas. Compared to a Turbo Diesel they were dogs when loaded down.
A 454 might actually have some relevance, if it had been produced for trucks in the last 15 years! Forget the 454, try an 8100, a 6.0 Vortec, a 30-valve V10, a 6.4 Hemi, or Ford's 6.2 Hurricane V8.
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: Farmer
Nick: I definitely understand that a gas truck would, but it wouldn't be quick at all. As my truck according to the book is only rated to haul 3000lb for payload. Anything over 1500lb is usually a workout for a gas truck with absolutely no get up and go.
Stewart: The front ends are pretty junky on these trucks. Most front end parts on my have been replaced, the others that I haven't are on their way out, and I only have 61K Miles on it.
So what do you do with all that extra time you have with a diesel pickup? That whole 25 seconds that you got to your destination, I'm sure it REALLY adds up lol!
Those that use their trucks for truck stuff regularly are fine. The ones like my two neighbors that lease them and NEVER use them for truck stuff, but enjoy paying $600+ or so/month, are tool sheds. Buy a crossover for a third of the price, invest the savings in a Roth IRA, and buy a beach front condo when you're 60. My one neighbor always makes jokes about my Civic, "3 bags of groceries, you max that thing's payload yet?" My typical reply revolves around if the whole city knows he has a tiny ***** yet so he can finally trade it in for something smaller than Grave Digger and I can help him save for retirement. However, we do get along quite well and enjoy the "camaraderie". But I digress. Each fool to their own. Now, I'm off to make some freshly ground organic, fair trade coffee...
Originally Posted By: Farmer
Nick: I definitely understand that a gas truck would, but it wouldn't be quick at all. As my truck according to the book is only rated to haul 3000lb for payload. Anything over 1500lb is usually a workout for a gas truck with absolutely no get up and go.
Stewart: The front ends are pretty junky on these trucks. Most front end parts on my have been replaced, the others that I haven't are on their way out, and I only have 61K Miles on it.
So what do you do with all that extra time you have with a diesel pickup? That whole 25 seconds that you got to your destination, I'm sure it REALLY adds up lol!
Those that use their trucks for truck stuff regularly are fine. The ones like my two neighbors that lease them and NEVER use them for truck stuff, but enjoy paying $600+ or so/month, are tool sheds. Buy a crossover for a third of the price, invest the savings in a Roth IRA, and buy a beach front condo when you're 60. My one neighbor always makes jokes about my Civic, "3 bags of groceries, you max that thing's payload yet?" My typical reply revolves around if the whole city knows he has a tiny ***** yet so he can finally trade it in for something smaller than Grave Digger and I can help him save for retirement. However, we do get along quite well and enjoy the "camaraderie". But I digress. Each fool to their own. Now, I'm off to make some freshly ground organic, fair trade coffee...
Originally Posted By: hatt
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
This. And Light beer is gross. +1+1 Open an IRA and buy a truck that does what you need it to, no more. You'll be much happier in 30 years. Unless the economy collapses. Then I'll need a ride in your diesel 1-ton while we fight zombies.
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
This. And Light beer is gross. +1+1 Open an IRA and buy a truck that does what you need it to, no more. You'll be much happier in 30 years. Unless the economy collapses. Then I'll need a ride in your diesel 1-ton while we fight zombies.
Absolutely no dogs in this fight. I see a few dualie diesels . They use them with a 5th wheel set-up to pull a trailer with 4 or 5 cars loaded on. Most are Dodges.
I looked at a late model Ford 6.7 diesel and the engine looked like it's was stuffed way back in the engine bay. Almost as if the back of it was under the dashboard. The dealer said they drop the engine to do major work on the engine.
Originally Posted By: hatt
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
And the gas V6 models would do much better than the V8 models. So why's diesel getting the rundown?
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
And the gas V6 models would do much better than the V8 models. So why's diesel getting the rundown?
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: Farmer
Nick: I definitely understand that a gas truck would, but it wouldn't be quick at all. As my truck according to the book is only rated to haul 3000lb for payload. Anything over 1500lb is usually a workout for a gas truck with absolutely no get up and go.
Stewart: The front ends are pretty junky on these trucks. Most front end parts on my have been replaced, the others that I haven't are on their way out, and I only have 61K Miles on it.
So what do you do with all that extra time you have with a diesel pickup? That whole 25 seconds that you got to your destination, I'm sure it REALLY adds up lol!
Adds up at the pump for sure. Have you even ever driven a diesel truck?
Originally Posted By: Farmer
Nick: I definitely understand that a gas truck would, but it wouldn't be quick at all. As my truck according to the book is only rated to haul 3000lb for payload. Anything over 1500lb is usually a workout for a gas truck with absolutely no get up and go.
Stewart: The front ends are pretty junky on these trucks. Most front end parts on my have been replaced, the others that I haven't are on their way out, and I only have 61K Miles on it.
So what do you do with all that extra time you have with a diesel pickup? That whole 25 seconds that you got to your destination, I'm sure it REALLY adds up lol!
Adds up at the pump for sure. Have you even ever driven a diesel truck?
Originally Posted By: itguy08
That's a change - they used to lift the cab to do engine work. It was designed that way and made to come off easily but you do have to have a lift...
Rather have a Ford or GM over anything Ram.
They could lift the cab, the salesman might not know what he was talking about. My point was the engine was not sitting there all exposed once you lift the hood.
That's a change - they used to lift the cab to do engine work. It was designed that way and made to come off easily but you do have to have a lift...
Rather have a Ford or GM over anything Ram.
They could lift the cab, the salesman might not know what he was talking about. My point was the engine was not sitting there all exposed once you lift the hood.
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Originally Posted By: Donald
My point was the engine was not sitting there all exposed once you lift the hood.
If you only knew...
My point was the engine was not sitting there all exposed once you lift the hood.
If you only knew...
I was going to say that I don't think I've seen an engine under the hood of a diesel Super Duty since the old 7.3 lol.
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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Try a 6.0 Econoline.
Heh...no thanks. I have to use a ladder to reach the oil fill on this one and I am six feet tall. I rather think you would need to be a contortionist to work on an Econoline even if it is not very high.
Try a 6.0 Econoline.
Heh...no thanks. I have to use a ladder to reach the oil fill on this one and I am six feet tall. I rather think you would need to be a contortionist to work on an Econoline even if it is not very high.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I recently hauled about a ton of wood flooring home in our RAM. Seemed to make everything even smoother riding. No problem with power with 395 HP and 410 foot pounds torque through 8 speeds and 3.91 posi gearing.
Those RAMS are just fine for the average user it seems. 30k miles of flawless performance!
And my old 09 Dmax 2500HD that is used for towing our 33 foot 5th wheel has almost 100k miles on it with ZERO front end issues. Those Weak GM front ends seem to have escaped our notice in fleet trucks also.
Can't imagine many trucks that go out every morning with their full rated load aboard. Yet our 3500 service vans do that regularly with zero front end work. 80k on our newest van with not even an alignment and perfect even tire wear at 9000+ pounds....
Maybe all that weight in the back takes some load off the front!
I recently hauled about a ton of wood flooring home in our RAM. Seemed to make everything even smoother riding. No problem with power with 395 HP and 410 foot pounds torque through 8 speeds and 3.91 posi gearing.
Those RAMS are just fine for the average user it seems. 30k miles of flawless performance!
And my old 09 Dmax 2500HD that is used for towing our 33 foot 5th wheel has almost 100k miles on it with ZERO front end issues. Those Weak GM front ends seem to have escaped our notice in fleet trucks also.
Can't imagine many trucks that go out every morning with their full rated load aboard. Yet our 3500 service vans do that regularly with zero front end work. 80k on our newest van with not even an alignment and perfect even tire wear at 9000+ pounds....
Maybe all that weight in the back takes some load off the front!
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: hatt
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
And the gas V6 models would do much better than the V8 models. So why's diesel getting the rundown?
The additional cost to move up engines is pretty low. Maybe even included in the truck package you are wanting. The whole process is pretty convoluted sometimes. The maintenance costs between gas engines is also pretty similar. Diesel is $7K+ premium and maintenance on the engine and supporting systems is another world.
I passed on the superior twin turbo Ecoboost because I foresaw potential increased costs vs the 5.0 down the road. I didn't really need what it offered. If I towed/hauled decent weight on a regular basis it would have probably been a good idea for the $800 premium(if I remember right) over the 5.0.
Originally Posted By: hatt
It seems few can keep apples with apples. When someone says you don't need a diesel unless you do a lot of heavy hauling/towing all the diesel pickup owners chime in about how much better their diesel tows than gassers. Most diesel 3/4-1 ton diesel trucks around here tow only gallons of milk and 12 packs of Bud Light. Gas would do the same job for much less cost and maintenance than a modern diesel.
And the gas V6 models would do much better than the V8 models. So why's diesel getting the rundown?
The additional cost to move up engines is pretty low. Maybe even included in the truck package you are wanting. The whole process is pretty convoluted sometimes. The maintenance costs between gas engines is also pretty similar. Diesel is $7K+ premium and maintenance on the engine and supporting systems is another world.
I passed on the superior twin turbo Ecoboost because I foresaw potential increased costs vs the 5.0 down the road. I didn't really need what it offered. If I towed/hauled decent weight on a regular basis it would have probably been a good idea for the $800 premium(if I remember right) over the 5.0.
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I recently hauled about a ton of wood flooring home in our RAM. Seemed to make everything even smoother riding. No problem with power with 395 HP and 410 foot pounds torque through 8 speeds and 3.91 posi gearing.
Those RAMS are just fine for the average user it seems. 30k miles of flawless performance!
And my old 09 Dmax 2500HD that is used for towing our 33 foot 5th wheel has almost 100k miles on it with ZERO front end issues. Those Weak GM front ends seem to have escaped our notice in fleet trucks also.
Can't imagine many trucks that go out every morning with their full rated load aboard. Yet our 3500 service vans do that regularly with zero front end work. 80k on our newest van with not even an alignment and perfect even tire wear at 9000+ pounds....
Maybe all that weight in the back takes some load off the front!
Actually the vans are extremely well balanced. They also ship the long wheelbase models with stiffer front springs. They drive very sweetly, just a bit heavy but well within rated GVWR of 9500-9700 pounds depending on the year...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I recently hauled about a ton of wood flooring home in our RAM. Seemed to make everything even smoother riding. No problem with power with 395 HP and 410 foot pounds torque through 8 speeds and 3.91 posi gearing.
Those RAMS are just fine for the average user it seems. 30k miles of flawless performance!
And my old 09 Dmax 2500HD that is used for towing our 33 foot 5th wheel has almost 100k miles on it with ZERO front end issues. Those Weak GM front ends seem to have escaped our notice in fleet trucks also.
Can't imagine many trucks that go out every morning with their full rated load aboard. Yet our 3500 service vans do that regularly with zero front end work. 80k on our newest van with not even an alignment and perfect even tire wear at 9000+ pounds....
Maybe all that weight in the back takes some load off the front!
Actually the vans are extremely well balanced. They also ship the long wheelbase models with stiffer front springs. They drive very sweetly, just a bit heavy but well within rated GVWR of 9500-9700 pounds depending on the year...
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Try a 6.0 Econoline.
Heh...no thanks. I have to use a ladder to reach the oil fill on this one and I am six feet tall. I rather think you would need to be a contortionist to work on an Econoline even if it is not very high.
You have to be a contortionist to work on an old Econoline. I can only imagine what a newer one is line.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Try a 6.0 Econoline.
Heh...no thanks. I have to use a ladder to reach the oil fill on this one and I am six feet tall. I rather think you would need to be a contortionist to work on an Econoline even if it is not very high.
I know the 2016 Nissan Titan Diesel is considered a half-ton, but how close is it to being a 3/4 ton truck?
I'm not sure how good the Nissan Titan is. It never got the amazing reputation that the Datsun 720, 1986.5 Hardbody, or 1997 Frontier got.
I'm not sure how good the Nissan Titan is. It never got the amazing reputation that the Datsun 720, 1986.5 Hardbody, or 1997 Frontier got.
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