Late arriving Cellular Bill - Am I culpable?

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My cellular bill has not arrived at its typical monthly point. As an intelligent customer and in good faith effort, I called them. Disclaimer: I am not posting this in hopes of being told about all of the convenient electronic automatic withdrawal
Methods of payment at my disposal. I have the right to pay and be billed on paper. Please read on to see the real crux of the issue at the bottom.

They said it was printed in Illinois on July 8th. I'm close to Illinois soil my star borders it. Here I am 10 days later with nothing. Now about a year ago our USPS processing was closed and consolidated to a center 5hours away. That has caused about 1-2 extra days in delivery time for most mail. Sometimes even three days, rarely. To get mail to a destination 220 miles it now takes 3-6 days, usually 4-5 days.

With that in mind, back to the story.

She says that she'd send a new bill.
Well we did the math and even if it gets to me in 6 days and mine gets back in 6 days.... It's past due date.

So now what? Her reply... "It's your job to pay it by the due date". I mentioned that it's their job to bill me and not really mine to seek them out and beg for a bill after 15 years of impeccable payment and credit. If there has been a change in their business environment (USPS take longer) they have to adapt or change due date goals. It was a friendly discussion and she sounded like she has had this problem
Come to her before. She closed with a sad tone of voice that it was still my responsibility.


So.. Do I really have to chase down a business to get a bill ? Is that my contractual duty? Am I legally required
to do whatever it takes to pay it? Could they set a due date 1 day after mailing and say it be paid or else?

Is there any legal or regulatory tradition that compels them to have the burden of getting the bill to me rather than me chasing and beging for a bill?

Please note that in the mean time I am going to drive the hour and a half to the nearest retail outlet to pay directly in person. But this has raised a genuine wonder in my mind. Don't they bear some responsibility to monitor and adapt to systemic changes in their supply line (USPS) ?
 
Just send a check for the normal amount and add a note that that the bill wasn't sent. The AR dept won't waste the the to ask you to pay the late fee. Everyone could say they didn't get the bill so they aren't quick to say its OK to waive the fee.
 
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Just send a check for the normal amount and add a note that that the bill wasn't sent. The AR dept won't waste the the to ask you to pay the late fee. Everyone could say they didn't get the bill so they aren't quick to say its OK to waive the fee.


Here's a somewhat related billing snafu from my provider two years ago....
Looks like one can't trust just sending in an amout ...the computers overrule the humans on auto mode and just keep late charging you. Evil really that computers are more "authorized" that a human billing agent.

http://m.jsonline.com/business/some-us-c...-236118771.html
 
I used to have Internet access drop for a 3 week stretch once every 3 years. Electric used to go out for 3 days every so often. So, I like paper bills over electronic. Yeah, you're responsible for timely payment for whatever form you choose.
 
Why not just ask the agent, or go through the automated prompts, to find out what you owe them and mail a check now. Then it won't be late.

Can't you print out a bill online?

You'd really rather drive an hour and a half to get the bill in person and pay it then?

Odds are the company did send you a bill but the USPS lost the thing. You'll probably get it in 30-40 years. Your directing your anger towards the cell provider and it's really USPS that is causing your problems.
 
Call. Find out amount owed. Send check. Then next month check into online bill paying with your bank.
 
Well we have noticed the bill getting her later and later. We as customers have notified them. Their agent acknowledged the USPS changes and subsequent delays. Isn't it their burden to deal with the change in their business environment?

I mean really, if an oil company has a change in rail policy repair etc cause delays which are made aware to them by customers (refineries) are THEY the ones to look into the matter and adjust to the changed business supply line climate? Is the end user the one whose duty it is to contact a supply chain provider on the BEHALF of a corporation.?

Little ol ME is supposed to call each post master involved in this matter on behalf of the cell phone company? It's part of their business chain, they can make the call to their partner (USPS).

Let's reverse the roles. I send payment it never gets there. They call and I get to say... "It's your job to find it or call usps" "I sent it, I wah my hands of it"

That exactly what they are saying to me. "We sent it , that's it. We don't have to get a bill to you we just have to send it".

Kind of a double standard. They only have to send it but I have to make sure my check actually makes it there. I their bill doesn't make it to me... "Meh, we tried." Thats what they get to say?
 
And that's insanity.

That's like walking into a diner and having no prices on the menu and no bill. Really, I'm supposed to guess.. Anticipate .... Estimate base on a few years ago when I ate there... what the bill is. Isn't there a requirement to actual PRESENT a bill to a consumer? Whether if that's a waitress walking it to their table or a third party (USPS) it's still part of the service provider's half of the transaction.

We've reach a point in business where the ourchaser has the duty to estimate their bill due and no longer has valid EXPECTATION of the service provider to bear the oh so heavy burden of ... Telling them how much they owe! To hand them a friggen bill? Really? We have the duty to "work around" the issue... Isn't that THEIR job?

Here's how business used to work: I express a need, they express an ability, I get a service , they PRESENT a bill and I pay again and so on.
LOL

Man have we been bred to swear allegiance to the "company's always right and don't want to get them angry"
 
Be sure to let us know how that works out for you.

It is not like I disagree with you in principal...but...

You didn't think the cell service (or the meal at the diner) was free did you? I mean you know you owe them the money, right, and one would presume they have provided you with a payment address and the amount due... so mail 'em a check and if you don't get a copy of the bill for your records call and ask again.
 
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just go online, get your bill and pay it from your house. Why call, drive 1.5 hours or do anything else that requires more time than necessary over a phone bill?
 
No offense taken, just a sad comment on our society.

No I didn't assume there was no fee. Of course, C'mon man.LOL

I just think it's rediculous that I should write a check and "throw it like a dart" at the maybe probably amount I owe maybe probably when I owe it. That's nuts. Regulatory fees go up and down, people change packages ... stuff like that. Bill change. Just sending a good guess check isn't a healthy mode of doing business in my role as a consumer. I expect a bill and I expect that I get them the exact amount exactly by (before) the due date. It cut and dried stuff. It simple business. Present a bill, figure out why it didn't get to me if it didn't and the. Start the clock running on me.

I firmly beleive a clock should be runnin on me when a bill is presented. Heck I'm even ok with the already slightly I'll idea of it punting mail time as part of its time "in my hands" but that's ok with me. If it makes
It to me.

Bottom line, the service providers job includes successful presentation of a bill, which I fully expect. Give me a bill and I pay it. But... Give me the bill!

To extend this thinking. If I do online retrieval of my bill and THEIR server is down... It's MY job to call their cloud provider? That the logic being used here but with paper.

Rediculous.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just go online, get your bill and pay it from your house. Why call, drive 1.5 hours or do anything else that requires more time than necessary over a phone bill?


What abouty elderly neighbor who doesn't have internet? Seems to me that you'd agreed that their server is THEIR duty to have functioning when you log in. You agree to that.

But my neighbor who depends on paper bills is supposed to play sleuth to find where it is, their are obligated to buy a computer and internet as a backup plan.

very narrow thinking.

If paper billing is an option, then systemic complications of its delivery is something the company should deal with. Just as you expect systemic server problems to be their duty. C'mon with the double standard.

Somebody posted about Kiosks?! Man do we live in our own little shells. "I have a kiosk and or internet this it MUST be an option or everybody. Jeez. With my server example above its clear to me that this is just a boring "should do it online" type reply situation were getting into.

We appear I be no longer talking about the willingness, duty of a service provider to actually successfully provide a bill due. We are actually convincing ourselves that it's the customers duty
To "work around" the company's problems in supply chain. Wow


Again, it's YOUR job to fix heir server or contact their cloud provider if it's down?
 
Don't be silly, you know it's due and there are multiple ways to get your bill - even the most basic flip phone from 2005 will show your account information. I guess you can pretend you didn't get it and forgot about it, fight tooth and nail spending hours trying to get a late fee removed...and for what? You'll just be viewed as a slow payer by the company and have nothing to show for it but a lot of time wasted on nothing. Just being practical here.
 
I had a similar issue with Capital One. One day they just decided to send my credit card bill to an old address of mine. I called because I knew it was past time that I should be paying my bill. They told me the address they sent it to and I told them that was wrong and why did they change it when I had not asked them too. They did not know why it was changed but waived the late fee since I contacted them in a timely manner. They then sent the bill to the wrong address again the next month, after supposedly correcting it in their system. So I paid what I owed for that month and canceled my card.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Don't be silly, you know it's due and there are multiple ways to get your bill. I guess you can pretend you didn't get it and forgot about it, fight tooth and nail spending hours trying to get a late fee removed...and for what? You'll just be viewed as a slow payer by the company and have nothing to show for it but a lot of time wasted on nothing. Just being practical here.


So it's not their job to successfully provide a bill to me via a metho THEY offered?! Insanity dude.
You are actually saying that I should never EXPECT a bill as a formal portion of our transaction? I should be doing "work arounds"!?

People have been beaten into submission.

and why the heck would you insinuate that I was trying to pretend I didn't get it? I've been with them 15 years. Did I say I was somehow trying to take advantage of this? Heck I think you didn't even read the post clearly enough to see that I currently DONT have an overdue fee but instead that the mail delay now will cause it to be past due after I recieve the bill reprint and mail off payment. Read before posting dude.
 
I believe you will find that proof of mailing via USPS is considered "presented" legally.

The fact that the phone drone could tell you it was mailed on such and such day would seem to indicate they have proof of mailing.

And the TOS (which you agreed to) does say that doesn't it? But hey it is a (mostly) free market economy and you're free to not agree to the TOS and to refuse to accept this absurdity ... which of course means you won't have a cell service at least from that company. If enough people don't agree the company will then either change it or begin a decline.

I'm not saying it is right - but it is the way it is...
 
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