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Originally Posted By: Footpounds
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
True,

But I don't mind my tax dollars helping person in need like toyotaguy



It is not taxpayer money that pays for this. It goes into charity care and comes out of the provider's revenues.



And what does a taxpayer supported hospital do when their revenues drop and they need more money? They raise taxes. This just happened with our county hospital (Parkland) in Dallas County.


Does that mean they are having to few or to many gunshot victims.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: Footpounds
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
True,

But I don't mind my tax dollars helping person in need like toyotaguy



It is not taxpayer money that pays for this. It goes into charity care and comes out of the provider's revenues.



And what does a taxpayer supported hospital do when their revenues drop and they need more money? They raise taxes. This just happened with our county hospital (Parkland) in Dallas County.


Does that mean they are having to few or to many gunshot victims.



Is that a reference to Kennedy, the gang bangers or both?
 
No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free. We like it that way thanks
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
They blame it on a number of things ..but it doesn't alter the fact that a $25 xray is now $150 on a technology that's way older than I am. More health care facilities and providers increases the cost of health care.

About the only free market aspect to it is that professionals will flock to where the money is.


Once must remember another reason that health care has drastically gone up in the last 100 years is that people live longer. In 1910, you'd be lucky to make it to the age of 50 before you died. If you got a heart attack, cancer, have your appendix burst or have a blood clot, you usually died quite quickly. A lot of disease are now treatable and now with people living well past their 80's, you have a lot more health care to pay for. My grandma recently died at the age of 104. Had she died 40 years sooner, there would have been a lot less medical costs needed during her life. Somebody's got to pay for all this. A person who is in their 80s will also need a lot more medicine than somebody in their 40s. Medicine also costs a lot of money.
Our government can skewer a statistic any way they please. This is another reason they can hold up a chart of health care costs from many years back and show everybody how health care has gone up over the last few years. Except today the chart will show how greedy a doctor is, how a for-profit hospital is screwing us or how a medicine company charges too much money for some medicine they spent 10 years of trial-and-error testing to finally get approval for.


I agree to most of what you're saying ..but one must ask to what gain and at what cost to the society? While I surely wish everyone here, regardless of age, every second of every minute of life that they're due, we've only focused on extending life as long as possible, not necessarily extending the quality of life. They still leave that to the individual. We're mostly altering genetics with environmental influences.

We're seeing the stress of this in everything. Our cars are the same way. We'll soon have the safest cars that no one can afford to buy. It's mostly a byproduct of people who deal in these things ..knowing when to stop. How much did the first evolution of car seats reduce infant/toddler deaths? Greatly. How much has/have the many ...MANY evolutions since? Not so much. Apply that to ambulances, firetrucks ...defibrillators ..air bags ..side door beams...curtain bags ..

While I never would affix a value to any single human life, we've got to face the facts that there's no endless blank check on the other end of it.

The last thing I need is more dwell time in my least enjoyable and least productive years ..especially at the cost to my society. Now if someone selflessly feels that my life is worth all the effort and wants to extend it just because they think I'm a really valuable artifact ...fine.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free. We like it that way thanks


If healthcare is not financed through the taxes you pay, how exactly is it done?
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No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free.

We are getting the same thing here in America since sooo many people voted for 'change' during our last election.
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All costs of ALL things are paid by producers. If you have fewer producers of merit, stuff is going to cost more. What we see, instead of assuring that you have functional producers in sufficient numbers to sustain the services consumed by the society, is to just hammer whomever is producing.

I think the blame is misdirected.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free. We like it that way thanks


It's not free.
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Everybody pays for it.

But I'm still all in favor for a single payer healthcare system in the US, if it's funded and operated properly.

I'll save you the line Tempest - at the rate our politicians spend money, there's no way a single payer system would work in the US - they'd spend the freakin money on pork projects for their home districts to help themselves get re-elected.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

I agree to most of what you're saying ..but one must ask to what gain and at what cost to the society?



Yea, and it varies from person to person. My grandma renewed her drivers license at age 100, lived by herself, took no medication, quilted, gardened and it was only the last 6 months of her life that she took to the worse.
Your scenario reminds me of an old Star Trek episode where the population growth was thwarted by people volunteering to die.
There are no easy answers.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
More health care facilities and providers increases the cost of health care.



You got to be kidding me. How does that increase the cost of health care when it is profitable?
 
One way to save money is to make the retirement age 70 instead of 65 or 60. Then you have 5 more productive years that can save toward your future expense.

Of course that makes health care "unfair" for most people who couldn't work at the age of 65. But then it is the same for people who couldn't work anymore at the age of 55. So, we have to draw a line somewhere.

By the time I retire Social Security and Medicare would be for sure bankrupted, so I'm not counting on it and will try to work till the day I die.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free. We like it that way thanks


Sprintman - do you REALLY think it's free? I need to know.
 
(let's put it this way...) He's never gonna go bankrupt because of a medical need. There is no bill to pay so it is free. But since it's insurance he, and every other Australian, pays insurance premiums. But that's immaterial.
 
In our state, they (the state) are already making some serious decisions on who gets what, and for how much. And those decisions I know about are not necessarily for the health of the patient. I think we better be very careful before reaching for the uncle sam 3rd teat treat when it comes to health care.

I'm the first to say insurance companies SUCK CHODA, but still I maintain there are better ideas than Gary's government run everything.....be wary of those who tout the greatness of Cuban health care. They count things like infant mortality different than we do.

To the OP, make the payment plan. They will let you. I did for the neck surgery.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
(let's put it this way...) He's never gonna go bankrupt because of a medical need. There is no bill to pay so it is free. But since it's insurance he, and every other Australian, pays insurance premiums. But that's immaterial.


Of course it is, because it's NOT free.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
More health care facilities and providers increases the cost of health care.



You got to be kidding me. How does that increase the cost of health care when it is profitable?


Because they assure that all make the same compensation level. Now they've mostly neutralized the effect. Now you don't have to prescribe too many tests ..they're now routine and now there are plenty of customers.

Let me give you the inverted situation. In western NY state, the state pays doctors to do tours there with picking up some or all of their loans. As soon as the obligation is filled ..they split. Reverse it ..and you pay more for a higher density of medical services.
 
Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No medical insurance. ER (casualty) visits lately free. Wifes brain operation with ambulance etc free. Mother in law hip replacement next month free. We like it that way thanks


If healthcare is not financed through the taxes you pay, how exactly is it done?
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it is, 1.5% of your taxable income.



beats getting a bill for 22k.

BUT

you do not lose your right to health care because you had no income. we like it that way
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As per mori's link, about 8% of GDP is on health care.

So the 1.5% "medicare levy" is augmented by a much larger slab of general taxes, plus virtually mandatory private health insurance.

I have to pay $2 grand in health insurance, or pay more medicare levy...and it's going to go up another 30% as well...every year I don't hold Private Insurance, my premiums in the future will rise by 2% for ever.

Since we were blackmailed into taking Private Health, I've spent $15 grand, and got nothing out of it.

Our cover doesn't include dental...when the better half had a $1500 dentist bill some years ago, we got it reduced to $800 on the spot by telling the dentist that we didn't have dental, and paid on the spot (not cash)...Anecdotaly, insurance makes dental services cost twice as much.

Brother paid cash (visa card) for the gyno of his choice, in the hospital of his choice (and his wife had the plumbing removed) for $3k...was nearly $10 until they realised he wasn't using insurance.
 
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