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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
You know WHY that is, don't you?
Because of the six old codgers that were playing golf together in Town Cars, only two of them are left, and they don't need something so large.
You know WHY that is, don't you?
Because of the six old codgers that were playing golf together in Town Cars, only two of them are left, and they don't need something so large.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
This thread was shot, I know their are some Dodge fans here but they need to tone it back a bit.
Just like the psuedo-german-philes that drive pickups but yearn for a Brabus?
I believe it was you who once said good things about my car relative to its ancestry.
Anyone who doesn't believe that the 3 flavors of SRT8 I touted (there are actually 4) can't compete with a CPO 7 series is simply ignorant of the facts that most car buyers use to develop an interest in cars.
Purely ignorant brand bashing.
Were all happy you love your car, but it gets old after awhile. Learn how to tone it down.
Anyway I'm not wasting anymore of my time responding to this nonsense.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
This thread was shot, I know their are some Dodge fans here but they need to tone it back a bit.
Just like the psuedo-german-philes that drive pickups but yearn for a Brabus?
I believe it was you who once said good things about my car relative to its ancestry.
Anyone who doesn't believe that the 3 flavors of SRT8 I touted (there are actually 4) can't compete with a CPO 7 series is simply ignorant of the facts that most car buyers use to develop an interest in cars.
Purely ignorant brand bashing.
Were all happy you love your car, but it gets old after awhile. Learn how to tone it down.
Anyway I'm not wasting anymore of my time responding to this nonsense.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Oh, is that it? I thought it was because front bench seats are a terrible idea and a trunk that huge is a waste of space for most luxury car owners.
My explanation is the correct one, of course, but yes, front bench seats are a terrible idea. The trunk, well, I'm neither here nor there. If you put something very heavy right into the bottom, it was mighty inconvenient to get it out of there. On the other hand, if you did need to haul stuff it could swallow a lot of it.
The bench seat and column shift were my biggest beefs. I hate bench seats and column shift. Even my plain Jane 1983 midsized LTD had bucket seats (still had a column shift, though). Of course, the Town Car had a "split bench" but I don't give any sympathy points for that.
Such cars did have some advantages. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the fuel economy of my Town Car, provided I stayed on the highway and didn't drive like crazy. In other words, if I drove it as was intended - the double nickel between golf courses or something like that - it did very well. And it could tow as much as a half ton, for those who were so inclined.
Oh, is that it? I thought it was because front bench seats are a terrible idea and a trunk that huge is a waste of space for most luxury car owners.
My explanation is the correct one, of course, but yes, front bench seats are a terrible idea. The trunk, well, I'm neither here nor there. If you put something very heavy right into the bottom, it was mighty inconvenient to get it out of there. On the other hand, if you did need to haul stuff it could swallow a lot of it.
The bench seat and column shift were my biggest beefs. I hate bench seats and column shift. Even my plain Jane 1983 midsized LTD had bucket seats (still had a column shift, though). Of course, the Town Car had a "split bench" but I don't give any sympathy points for that.
Such cars did have some advantages. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the fuel economy of my Town Car, provided I stayed on the highway and didn't drive like crazy. In other words, if I drove it as was intended - the double nickel between golf courses or something like that - it did very well. And it could tow as much as a half ton, for those who were so inclined.
Originally Posted By: Garak
The trunk, well, I'm neither here nor there. If you put something very heavy right into the bottom, it was mighty inconvenient to get it out of there. On the other hand, if you did need to haul stuff it could swallow a lot of it.
I did a one-way rental between Philadelphia and NYC in a Grand Marquis once. I was hauling a 2-week vacation's worth of luggage, PLUS an entire Bowers & Wilkins hi-fi surround sound speaker system (floor standing speakers, big subwoofer, etc.), but I didn't want an SUV (can't stand driving them). Among the options available for rental, I knew a Panther was the only car that had a good chance of success. It was close, and I had to put some stuff in the back seat, but everything fit. It was amazing.
Of course, just to be fair: a Tesla Model S will hold even more stuff, because it has the front cargo compartment in addition to station wagon levels of cargo space in the rear. It also rides better, drives infinitely better, is even quieter, and costs virtually nothing per mile...
But yeah, Panther cars are great for what they are.
The trunk, well, I'm neither here nor there. If you put something very heavy right into the bottom, it was mighty inconvenient to get it out of there. On the other hand, if you did need to haul stuff it could swallow a lot of it.
I did a one-way rental between Philadelphia and NYC in a Grand Marquis once. I was hauling a 2-week vacation's worth of luggage, PLUS an entire Bowers & Wilkins hi-fi surround sound speaker system (floor standing speakers, big subwoofer, etc.), but I didn't want an SUV (can't stand driving them). Among the options available for rental, I knew a Panther was the only car that had a good chance of success. It was close, and I had to put some stuff in the back seat, but everything fit. It was amazing.
Of course, just to be fair: a Tesla Model S will hold even more stuff, because it has the front cargo compartment in addition to station wagon levels of cargo space in the rear. It also rides better, drives infinitely better, is even quieter, and costs virtually nothing per mile...
But yeah, Panther cars are great for what they are.
@Jarlaxle: The buckets even in the old, garbage LTD were so nice, I got spoiled. The Town Car should have never had that bench. I could have tolerated the column shift if the bench were gone. It's not that it was really uncomfortable, though. But, I guess I can't complain much - I still had whitewalls on the thing.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
But yeah, Panther cars are great for what they are.
They made wonderful taxis. The depreciation on the Town Cars made them good choices, too, when buying used. Driving cab, sometimes a vehicle that can haul 5 people plus the driver is a bonus. And when hauling someone to the airport or someone from the grocery store, it was very useful.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
But yeah, Panther cars are great for what they are.
They made wonderful taxis. The depreciation on the Town Cars made them good choices, too, when buying used. Driving cab, sometimes a vehicle that can haul 5 people plus the driver is a bonus. And when hauling someone to the airport or someone from the grocery store, it was very useful.
Originally Posted By: Garak
The bench seat and column shift were my biggest beefs. I hate bench seats and column shift. Even my plain Jane 1983 midsized LTD had bucket seats (still had a column shift, though). Of course, the Town Car had a "split bench" but I don't give any sympathy points for that.
The issue with Ford car bench seats is that there was so much arm rest. They perfected bench seats with the 60/40s in the trucks. Storage, one large arm rest that doubles as a small table, cup holder(s). Those seats are more appropriate for a truck though.
The bench seat and column shift were my biggest beefs. I hate bench seats and column shift. Even my plain Jane 1983 midsized LTD had bucket seats (still had a column shift, though). Of course, the Town Car had a "split bench" but I don't give any sympathy points for that.
The issue with Ford car bench seats is that there was so much arm rest. They perfected bench seats with the 60/40s in the trucks. Storage, one large arm rest that doubles as a small table, cup holder(s). Those seats are more appropriate for a truck though.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
I would love to know the genesis of the myth that the LX is based on the old W210 E Class platform. The only thing borrowed from that platform for the original LX was the steering column and the front seats. And with the second generation LX, that's not even true anymore. As for the rear suspension, it's a Mercedes 5-link just like first appeared under the "Baby Benz" W201 platform back in 1982 and is now found under all RWD Benz cars. The rear suspension from an LX will not bolt up to a W210 or any other Mercedes platform. Will certain components (like diff coolers, etc), from some Mercedes models fit the LX rear suspension? Yes. But the suspension system itself is no more "borrowed" from the W210 than is the one found under the big W240 Maybach. They all look alike because they are all the same design. Doesn't mean they are all interchangeable.
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I couldn't care less about the 300, its just an E class with a different body on it. Well the old one was,
What an amazingly uninformed statement.
I defy anyone to take the hard points of the LX platform and line them up with ANY Mercedes platform. Can't be done. Two different animals but from the same gene pool.
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
I would love to know the genesis of the myth that the LX is based on the old W210 E Class platform. The only thing borrowed from that platform for the original LX was the steering column and the front seats. And with the second generation LX, that's not even true anymore. As for the rear suspension, it's a Mercedes 5-link just like first appeared under the "Baby Benz" W201 platform back in 1982 and is now found under all RWD Benz cars. The rear suspension from an LX will not bolt up to a W210 or any other Mercedes platform. Will certain components (like diff coolers, etc), from some Mercedes models fit the LX rear suspension? Yes. But the suspension system itself is no more "borrowed" from the W210 than is the one found under the big W240 Maybach. They all look alike because they are all the same design. Doesn't mean they are all interchangeable.
"Platform" is an extremely flexible word, to put it charitably. Supposedly it can mean something as vague as a set of weld points or some attribute of an electrical system.
Speaking of which, note to Team 300: I don't think disowning the LX's connection to Mercedes helps your case when brand-minded people are in your audience.
On a more serious note, while I'm happy to agree that the Chrysler 300 performs far better per dollar than its upscale German counterparts, I'm still puzzled as to why anyone thinks it's comparable to real high-end German luxury cars overall. We could certainly argue about whether a 7-Series is twice the car for twice the money, but it seems to be beyond reasonable dispute that the price difference exists for a reason.
Speaking of which, note to Team 300: I don't think disowning the LX's connection to Mercedes helps your case when brand-minded people are in your audience.
On a more serious note, while I'm happy to agree that the Chrysler 300 performs far better per dollar than its upscale German counterparts, I'm still puzzled as to why anyone thinks it's comparable to real high-end German luxury cars overall. We could certainly argue about whether a 7-Series is twice the car for twice the money, but it seems to be beyond reasonable dispute that the price difference exists for a reason.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
Although, I've agreed with everything you've said up to this point I wouldn't resort to name calling. Usually, that's a clear sign someone has lost the debate. Not to mention it's a baiting comment and frowned upon.
Good luck G-MAN. Too many car snobs in this thread. Let 'em have it...
Although, I've agreed with everything you've said up to this point I wouldn't resort to name calling. Usually, that's a clear sign someone has lost the debate. Not to mention it's a baiting comment and frowned upon.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
"Platform" is an extremely flexible word ...
Only to the goobers who believe if a car shares the same steering column and seats, they are both based on the same platform. "Platform" in the automotive manufacturing world has a very definite meaning.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Speaking of which, note to Team 300: I don't think disowning the LX's connection to Mercedes helps your case when brand-minded people are in your audience.
I don't disown the Mercedes lineage of the LX in any way. I've said many times that it was fiscally irresponsible for Mercedes to step in and stop development on what was an almost complete LX platform based on the existing LH and order a complete re-design, but you can't argue with the end result. The LX is, IMO, one of the best platforms ever devised.
"Platform" is an extremely flexible word ...
Only to the goobers who believe if a car shares the same steering column and seats, they are both based on the same platform. "Platform" in the automotive manufacturing world has a very definite meaning.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Speaking of which, note to Team 300: I don't think disowning the LX's connection to Mercedes helps your case when brand-minded people are in your audience.
I don't disown the Mercedes lineage of the LX in any way. I've said many times that it was fiscally irresponsible for Mercedes to step in and stop development on what was an almost complete LX platform based on the existing LH and order a complete re-design, but you can't argue with the end result. The LX is, IMO, one of the best platforms ever devised.
This is probably a matter of syntax.
This Wikipedia article says that the LX "shares components derived from the W211 E-Class". Some probably take that to mean, possibly incorrectly, that such components were plucked straight from the W211 parts bin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_300
This Wikipedia article says that the LX "shares components derived from the W211 E-Class". Some probably take that to mean, possibly incorrectly, that such components were plucked straight from the W211 parts bin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_300
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