Lake Speed Jr video - Ignore Factory oil specifications!

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He basically just says that under higher loads and lower rpm, a thicker oil may protect the bottom end better, depending on engine specifics.
Since this is such “good info” can he (or you, since he doesn’t stoop to BITOG’s level from his perch on Ego Mountain) even provide a single engine or instance that has suffered a failure in these conditions? Literally the only way to get this is low RPM, high load, high boost condition is to have an engine with a manual transmission (or autos in manual mode), lug the engine intentionally, and floor the gas.

After the LSPI boogeyman escaped Pandora’s box, all manufacturers have transmissions programmed to downshift quickly based on RPM, throttle position, load, and boost.
 
The following are direct quotes from this video:

"That doesn't mean that you should go out and put a thicker viscosity oil in your engine blindly. If the data says it's better for your engine, then do it. But don't do it without data. Right? That's the motto of this channel, science, not speculation."

"Just because you increase the viscosity of the oil doesn't mean you're getting better engine protection... Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't."

"I would encourage you if you want to change your viscosity, take a sample with the current viscosity, get a baseline, then change the viscosity, go up a viscosity grade, and then measure again and see did it help."
I watched the video - by accident - last night. (YT was on autoplay past an ENEOS training video)

I am usually O.K. with LSJr. My YT educational expectations are set to a low bar. My issue here is relying heavily on UOA analysis data. That data does not evidence operational margin of safety or all critical wear mechanisms. The virtual pin could be "falling off the grenade" where all appears fine then, whoops!

There is much to be tracked when changing a grade for spec up (or down) some are actually subjective, others objective. Some you can do, some you cannot as a simple owner/layperson. Like disassembly and wear inspection/check.

E,G.: Oil temps and pressure, coolant temperature, BSFC, LTF/STF trim, hydraulic lifter bleed down rate, hydraulic cam phase angle, odd harmonic engine noise, throttled low RPM torque, WOT acceleration, subjective responsiveness, calculated over the road fuel mileage, etc.

The old adage, "Only as thick as you need" can be a tricky target to bullseye.

-Arco
 
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I have a 02 4.8 in my 82 GMC and it likes anything 5w30. Doesn’t burn a drop of oil or leak anything. I have a Gen 4 4.8 to put in my other one.
I loved my Silverado. Shortbed. Regular Cab 2WD. 23 MPG. Paid $15k for it brand new.

You must be quite happy with your GMC. They built them durable in '82.
 
While I like you all here, this a lot of debate for cars in which the engines will survive the rest of the car. Granted, at least BITOGers will know how to milk the value out of these vehicles.

Between all the computers, and no one taking proper care of these more maintenance needy vehicles, they are not living anywhere near what they should. I’ve been able to strip/stash parts for my 2019 Equinox thanks to a local yard a few miles away with a few non smashed 2018 Equinox (blown engine trans/ cooked computer). It’s not uncommon to see non smashed 2016-2020 vehicles in the yard. Cars won’t last for the average appliance customer anymore……

That said, LSjr is a NASCAR engine guy, who a friend of a buddy of mine that worked a bit with him when JSjr was working with GM. And to those mentioning the design issue, you would be correct. Kinda sad the they have to treat this like an old worn out engine (thicker oils!) to get it to last the normal timeframe of vehicle ownership…….
 
Clickbait..............I click EVERY video Scotty says he "is done" "he is retiring" "my time is done", "I am moving on", "I am moving on in life", "Astalavista", It's my time to retire, "see you guys on the other side", "Youtube banned me, I am done", and a couple others I have clicked on. What will I do, when he actually finally pulls the plug? I think we are waiting for that day.
 
LSJ gets "criticized" while PF is hated.

PF showed that the 12 V starter batteries at Walmart are the same as the batteries at the auto-part stores, but lower cost.

And while not pointed out on PF, they move off the shelves faster at Walmart, so they are more recently made.

PF also showed what tire pressure gauge is accurate and the best buy compared to all the others.

He is not sponsored by products he reviews and is not biased.

Sure, sometimes he speaks loud, but he does his best to honestly review products.

I have used knoledge gaind on PF to buy vehicle starting batteries, and tire air pressure gauges.
 
I'm sure this guy (Lake Speed Jr) is more intelligent than I am regarding many things. With that said, I watched one of his videos, and he poured a new quart of oil into the engine to flush the oil pan after draining the used oil out. I checked out and never went back. :ROFLMAO:
There are a few things that Lake has done or said, that don't add up. It sometimes leaves me with the feeling that he occasionally says what he thinks will be popular with his audience. This seems to be most often when he is doing a video with other YouTube people. But overall, I think he has learned a lot in doing his videos, and they tend to be more watchable. I do learn a thing or two or more from him.

This isn't the 80s, All OEMs do durability testing and level of engineering these days is much much better. How they act on defects is the business side of things which yea can be cut throat.

If you took a team of 15 people and had them do real world testing for 30 days that's 450 days of testing. Once the car is selling to the public 450 people will take 1 day to reach the same equivalent hours, things may pop up.

Manufacturing is difficult from engines to aerospace hardware things happen. Only thing you can do is learn and move forward. Toyota and GM are both claiming mfg issues leading to failure, now if that's a cover story I think that can be debated.

I also suspect that most every major company tests their products before releasing them to the market. And also agree that, just because they performed the testing, doesn't mean that all issues that are discovered during testing, are addressed before going to market. Without giving details that would identify a manufacturer, I can share an example that I have firsthand knowledge of.

A Tier I / Tier II / Tier III supplier I worked for was developing an improved product, that would be a big step up for a part in the car. They had worked long and hard, and were successful in making this new product. It was tested for all the specifications that were applicable to this product. And it met all of them . . . except one, a federally mandated specification. Samples of the product were tested, but barely failed. New samples sets were prepared and tested, but also barely failed. This process was repeated until over 300 samples had been tested, all with similar results. Test methods were carefully evaluated and scrutinized. Lab technicians were retrained. But the results stood true, at just short of meeting the Federal specification.

Finally the decision was made to select passing samples from different sample sets, so passing data could be submitted to the customers. And the product went to market. A lot of product. To a lot of customers.

This known shortcoming never did cause any issues for the customers or end users. The test requirement exceeded actual market conditions, particularly if other conditions in the assembly that this product went into, were ok.

But just because a weak product gets to market doesn't mean the manufacturer didn't test, or didn't know about it. For a number of reasons, bad products still make it to market. Can we all say together, GM ignition switch?
 
As do many OTR truck fleets, power plant operators...etc. It's an excellent tool to do a health check on the lube and glean insight into potential developing mechanical issues or contamination problems.
Come to think of it, we took oil samples at every OCI on our OTR trucks when I worked at Weber Trucking. Thanks for the reminder,
 
Can you give us an example?
Some time ago Lake visited Dave's Auto Center, and did a video with a few of the people there. In that, he quickly jumped on the "thicker is better" bandwagon. Now in this most recent video, he is quoted as saying, that is not necessarily true.

While his earlier statement may be compatible with his most recent, his earlier statement is misleading without the added explanation that he now provided.

As I said, I think Lake is a great source of knowledge. A lot smarter than me on the subject of engine lubrication. But I get the impression that he is sometimes quick to say what will get hits on YT.
 
The following are direct quotes from this video:

"That doesn't mean that you should go out and put a thicker viscosity oil in your engine blindly. If the data says it's better for your engine, then do it. But don't do it without data. Right? That's the motto of this channel, science, not speculation."

"Just because you increase the viscosity of the oil doesn't mean you're getting better engine protection... Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't."

"I would encourage you if you want to change your viscosity, take a sample with the current viscosity, get a baseline, then change the viscosity, go up a viscosity grade, and then measure again and see did it help."
In the same video, LSJr said twice he was part of a study with GM to find lowest supported viscosity of the 6.2L platform was, and found it was 0w12. Did I understand that correctly? If so, this seems to be a manufacturing issue mentioned being a rougher finish on the crank.
 
I loved my Silverado. Shortbed. Regular Cab 2WD. 23 MPG. Paid $15k for it brand new.

You must be quite happy with your GMC. They built them durable in '82.
I love it because I’m an old head when it comes to trucks. Simpler the better and it asks no questions. It’s getting around 20 mpgs with the 4.8, nv3500 and 3.08 rear gears. Territory no 82 ever saw lol.
 
In the same video, LSJr said twice he was part of a study with GM to find lowest supported viscosity of the 6.2L platform was, and found it was 0w12. Did I understand that correctly? If so, this seems to be a manufacturing issue mentioned being a rougher finish on the crank.
Yes, but it was a very exotic custom 0w12 oil. Not an off the shelf product.
 
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