As they say in Australia, “Dead-right, mate.”
Not a Lexus. Not a Toyota.
Not by a longshot.
Kia Telluride
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Not a Lexus. Not a Toyota.
Not by a longshot.
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Door lock actuators?
Is that all you’ve got?
Sorry, you are right, how dare I speak against their reliability, as evidenced by Toyota’s 20 year and 3 generation long dominance in frame corrosion resistance.
blower motors, resistors, crap wiring, head gaskets, valve covers not sealed properly, headlights that melt, leaf springs that sag On delivery, I could go on and on.
Im a Toyota owner but I don’t have my head in the sand and the koolaid isn’t THAT good.
A good friend of mine used to work at TRW as a mechanical engineer. He told me that Hyundai/Kia contracts appeared often to be a cloned spec of a part they might manufacture for another make, and said that their quality and tolerance specifications were very high. What he questioned was that there didn’t seem to be as much care into the integration of all of those parts with each other. It appeared as if they studied other existing designs and combined them, but without the art/experience/knowledge base of a long-standing designer which knew how to integrate them all optimally.
as a volunteer at a couple of local churches, I get to see how they age, along with other makes and models. I’m continually impressed by how the interiors hold up, and at least some of them feel like quite good, heavy, solid vehicles. We’ve got one person who has work done at both churches, and while it always has something else wrong with it, it drives like an old Benz and gets my respect.... but working on it is a headache. Where they can have issues is poor wrench angles, hours of labor to get a plug coil or other $20 sensor, and a plethora of nuisance repairs at 150k. They haven’t reached a point where their engineering looks at maintainability.
even the 3 cyl econoboxes they made 15 years ago seemed respectable, BUT I also personally know of 3 people up to about 5 years ago who had complete engine failures before 100k, randomly, out of the blue. The local dealer was anything but helpful. It probably takes a while to build corporate design intelligence.... especially to keep up with Honda and Toyota.
ive always felt like their interior NVH tuning was quite good, even if I’ve been shy of ever buying one.
as a volunteer at a couple of local churches, I get to see how they age, along with other makes and models. I’m continually impressed by how the interiors hold up, and at least some of them feel like quite good, heavy, solid vehicles. We’ve got one person who has work done at both churches, and while it always has something else wrong with it, it drives like an old Benz and gets my respect.... but working on it is a headache. Where they can have issues is poor wrench angles, hours of labor to get a plug coil or other $20 sensor, and a plethora of nuisance repairs at 150k. They haven’t reached a point where their engineering looks at maintainability.
even the 3 cyl econoboxes they made 15 years ago seemed respectable, BUT I also personally know of 3 people up to about 5 years ago who had complete engine failures before 100k, randomly, out of the blue. The local dealer was anything but helpful. It probably takes a while to build corporate design intelligence.... especially to keep up with Honda and Toyota.
ive always felt like their interior NVH tuning was quite good, even if I’ve been shy of ever buying one.
This has been established over and over again on here.
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people are paying up for the telluride and it’s objectively the big boss of its segment, followed by the atlas. the highlander does not match up.
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Few people know that SK companies made lots of parts in NK while “dad” was alive. For a dozen years. The boy got it stalled around 2016 … but it’s so large and opportunistic for both sides, we’ll see …
You can find an exception to any rule.
I haven’t had any of the problems you listed with my 2007 Tacoma, which now has 237,000 miles.
Going back to my point - I suggested that NYEngineer get a 4Runner instead of a Telluride because he said he keeps vehicles for a long time (long enough to wear out timing chain guide blocks).
I believe a 4Runner will be more reliable, long-term, than a telluride.
I am biased, however. I dont do V6-FWD vehicles.
Personally I wouldn’t have any of them. However, if I were going to bed at all which one would be more reliable, I know which one I would bet on.
And it would not be either the Kia or the Volkswagen LOL
The issue being in terms of comfort the 4Runner is terrible compared to the Telluride. It's a different vehicle (4Runner)-body on frame -and you get the consequences of that construction.
I haven’t driven a Telluride or a Palisade, so I can’t comment on those vehicles. I can say that I have driven FWD crossovers, and I’ve found the handling not to be confidence-inspiring. I definitely prefer RWD, especially in a larger vehicle.
My wife and I don’t find the comfort of our 4Runner to be anything close to “terrible”. We‘ve both commented several times on how well we think it rides, how comfortable the seats are, etc, since we bought it in January.
But that’s a decision the buyer has to make. There are compromises that have to be made in any vehicle selection process.
You decide what your priorities are, and select the vehicle that most closely matches those priorities.
This was talked about on like the first page....sometimes you really do need to READ THE WHOILE THREAD!
You cited something that goes all the way back to Nov. 13th of last year.....
Did you read the blurb?
The point of the article is that there’s no fix for the garlic-a$$ smell (this, according to the article) given off by the seats in the new Palisades and Tellurides.
Laughably, Hyundai is ACTUALLY instructing dealers to pour Febreze down the headrest mounting holes and douse the seat backs and headrests with Febreze!
I know what the problem is - they picked a cheap, inexpensive foam for their seats and headrests. I know this because when my wife was pregnant and she was getting sore spots from sleeping on her side, we bought a cheap foam mattress topper from Walmart, and it had a distinct, garlicky odor that was impossible to air out or remove.
They likely expected that the nasty smell would dissipate with time...but, like my wife’s mattress topper, it didn’t.
Im actually not trying to brand-bash here - just stating facts. This is the kind of error that separates the Korean auto industry (Hyundai) from the Japanese.
Hyundai should admit their error and come up with an actual, non-ridiculous solution to this nightmare!
Hyundai/Kia is replacing the headrest should the treatment not work.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34691711/2020-hyundai-palisade-odor-fix/
If a Palisade owner is experiencing this problem, Johnson said, they should bring the vehicle to a dealer for it to be resolved. Although the treatment should handle the odor, that isn’t always the case as shown by the Cars.com Palisade. All of the headrests in their Palisade had to be eventually replaced, but Johnson told Cars.com that that isn’t likely to be necessary in most cases.
There are plenty of cases littering automotive history where manufacturers have ignored problems related to safety resulting in both severe property damage and death.
So trying to deodorize headrest first is really minor-isn't it?
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