Kia severe maintenance intervals to maintain warranty?

[demarpaint]

What a lot of people fail to realize is more vehicles are used in severe service use than many think.

With regard to salt, it is corrosive, perhaps when it mixes with water and becomes airborne from driving and evaporation the engine ingests it along with the air it needs for the engine to run. Maybe they feel that mix is corrosive to certain engine intermals and they want it out sooner rather than later. That makes sense to me.

Salty roads usually mean colder temps too. That means for many more idling, and less time for the engine to run at operating temperature. I'd follow the SS interval if it were mine.

 

[JustN89]

Originally Posted by Jman26063
The title simple. Every driver in the US and Canada is severe service and may not realize it. So it is a shady tactic and Kia should just have a lower oci as the standard. It is no longer "severe" when it applies to 95% of population it is standard

Every manufacturer has a severe service and normal service recommendation. This isn't news nor is it a new, "shady" tactic. In fact, here is a thread from 2004 discussing the wide scope of "severe" service (this time it was a Ford OM, by the way).

Here is another thread discussing this in 2012.

Here's one from 2009.

I could post a lot more as a simple google search was all that was needed to uncover the plethora of threads that have been created over the years discussing severe service schedules on this forum alone. It's not Hyundai/Kia being "shady", it's a long-standing, ambiguous service schedule that has been used by nearly every manufacturer.

Again, this thread and specifically the title make no sense. I don't think anyone is shocked that your warranty hinges upon your compliance with the service schedule.

 

[chunt]

What I think is strange is on both of the Nissan's that I maintain, the manual does not list oil changes under the things that need to be checked or changed under severe service. Especially since the Pathfinder has a DI engine. They are both are 5K OCI's.

 

[OVERKILL]

Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

 

[Jman26063]

Not every manufacturer broadly defines driving in salty conditions as severe service alone. Cold temps ok, short trips ok, very hot ok. But just a blanket "salt used" to define when to change your oil is ridiculous. I am not arguing one doesnt need to read a manual. Im stating that it is misleading to include basically 2 countries as severe service and not just call it routine service

 

[Jman26063]

Exactly my point. Kia/Hyjndai is stricter than "most" other manufacturers.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

 

[JustN89]

Originally Posted by Jman26063
Not every manufacturer broadly defines driving in salty conditions as severe service alone. Cold temps ok, short trips ok, very hot ok. But just a blanket "salt used" to define when to change your oil is ridiculous. I am not arguing one doesnt need to read a manual. Im stating that it is misleading to include basically 2 countries as severe service and not just call it routine service

I understand that you don't like it, but I am failing to understand why people need to "think again" if they actually have their stated manufacturer warranty. It's one thing to not like the rules required to keep it, but as long as you abide by the rules, you have no reason to believe that you won't have your warranty honored. I own a Hyundai. I have a 10 year/100k miles warranty. No, I don't need to think again. I have followed the service schedule whether I agree with it or not. I don't understand what's so hard about this.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by Patman
They salt the roads a lot here in the winter and I've never had severe amounts of silicon in any of my UOAs over the past 17+ years.

Originally Posted by StevieC
I'm on the road all day and have no issues with Silica in my UOA's. Here is the UOA on my Journey at 10,000km (6K miles)

I'm completely confused as to the connection between salting the roads and silicon showing up in a UOA?

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Patman
They salt the roads a lot here in the winter and I've never had severe amounts of silicon in any of my UOAs over the past 17+ years.

Originally Posted by StevieC
I'm on the road all day and have no issues with Silica in my UOA's. Here is the UOA on my Journey at 10,000km (6K miles)

I'm completely confused as to the connection between salting the roads and silicon showing up in a UOA?

So were the both of us that is why we posted that in response...

 

[chunt]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

No OLM's

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

I was surprised at how quickly the EcoDiesel tore through its 10L of oil on the OLM versus the Jeep, which has ~30% left on the OLM at present and is closing in on 9,000Km.

But my question still stands: Does Kia/Hyundai not use an OLM? Because it would seem that all of this could be accounted for if they did

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Jman26063
Not every manufacturer broadly defines driving in salty conditions as severe service alone. Cold temps ok, short trips ok, very hot ok. But just a blanket "salt used" to define when to change your oil is ridiculous. I am not arguing one doesnt need to read a manual. Im stating that it is misleading to include basically 2 countries as severe service and not just call it routine service

I understand that you don't like it, but I am failing to understand why people need to "think again" if they actually have their stated manufacturer warranty. It's one thing to not like the rules required to keep it, but as long as you abide by the rules, you have no reason to believe that you won't have your warranty honored. I own a Hyundai. I have a 10 year/100k miles warranty. No, I don't need to think again. I have followed the service schedule whether I agree with it or not. I don't understand what's so hard about this.


The service schedule gets to be expensive to follow. Now add 10 years...... Oh' Boy.... very-very expensive.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by chunt
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

No OLM's


That seems..... odd?

 

[MONKEYMAN]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

Not Hyundai that I am aware of.

My theory is they just go by miles to bring more traffic into the dealership for services. The 100k warranty has to be supported some way.

I can use SM conventional oil and still meet warranty requirements. GM/Toyota, etc are going with a higher quality oil specified to have longer OCI's.

 

[ekpolk]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Under the MMWA (applicable in the US of course), if the car maker wants to deny a warranty claim based upon some alleged neglect, they have the burden to prove that the alleged neglect caused the failure at issue. In other words, your warranty does NOT go POOF and disappear if you miss something in the maintenance schedule. Also, for example, you could do absolutely NO oil changes (obviously a horrible idea), and if a power window fails on the last day of the wty, it's still covered because there's no way they could ever prove that the lack of oil changes caused the power window to fail.

So, you always have the full warranty, it never goes away. That said, if you do screw up the maintenance, AND the car maker can prove that your screw-up causes a failure, they don't have to cover that failure. The wty is STILL IN EFFECT, however, all the way to the end of its term.

Of course, the best plan is to read the book carefully, perform AND DOCUMENT proper maintenance, and thereby avoid ever having to try to win a wty fight in the first place.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Brons2
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.




This, plus I should add that affected engines came from the US manufacturing plant. Korean built engines have not had the same issues.


My Hyundai window sticker stated something like 57% Korea-made and 43% USA-made. Does anyone here know which parts of my Santa Fe are made here?





The sheet should tell you the country of origin for the engine and transmission.

 

[Jman26063]

Title was a little click baity ...„ i agree. All i was simply pointing out is that if you own a Kia or Hyuandi you better follow severe service because their severe service is actually routine service. And we can agree to disagree but this is a shady tactic by Kia/Hyu. They are not within the norm of other manufacturers

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by chunt
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

No OLM's


That seems..... odd?


How many new vehicle sales would Kia/Hyundai lose, If word got out that the OLM goes off in 3.75K and if not followed, loss of 10/100 warranty could occur?
Now you know why no OLM exists.....

 

[JustN89]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Jman26063
Not every manufacturer broadly defines driving in salty conditions as severe service alone. Cold temps ok, short trips ok, very hot ok. But just a blanket "salt used" to define when to change your oil is ridiculous. I am not arguing one doesnt need to read a manual. Im stating that it is misleading to include basically 2 countries as severe service and not just call it routine service

I understand that you don't like it, but I am failing to understand why people need to "think again" if they actually have their stated manufacturer warranty. It's one thing to not like the rules required to keep it, but as long as you abide by the rules, you have no reason to believe that you won't have your warranty honored. I own a Hyundai. I have a 10 year/100k miles warranty. No, I don't need to think again. I have followed the service schedule whether I agree with it or not. I don't understand what's so hard about this.


The service schedule gets to be expensive to follow. Now add 10 years...... Oh' Boy.... very-very expensive.

It costs me less than $20/OCI, and add that to the fact that I got a car that's among the cheapest in it's class with a 10 year/100k warranty, I think I'll come out ahead on that one financially.