Salt equals snow and ice or cold weather. Cold weather usually means more moisture in the oil. Looking at severe schedule for most cars it includes idling, short trips, and driving in traffic. The only way it is normal use is if you have your own 50 mile road and you drive back and forth on it.
Kia severe maintenance intervals to maintain warranty?
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They salt the roads a lot here in the winter and I've never had severe amounts of silicon in any of my UOAs over the past 17+ years.
Originally Posted by Patman
They salt the roads a lot here in the winter and I've never had severe amounts of silicon in any of my UOAs over the past 17+ years.
^^^ This...
I'm on the road all day and have no issues with Silica in my UOA's. Here is the UOA on my Journey at 10,000km (6K miles)
Silica starts out at 3ppm in Amsoil so you have to take 3ppm off the numbers:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2017/12/full-22880-16874-report_2a.png
They salt the roads a lot here in the winter and I've never had severe amounts of silicon in any of my UOAs over the past 17+ years.
^^^ This...
I'm on the road all day and have no issues with Silica in my UOA's. Here is the UOA on my Journey at 10,000km (6K miles)
Silica starts out at 3ppm in Amsoil so you have to take 3ppm off the numbers:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2017/12/full-22880-16874-report_2a.png
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I'm sure the attorneys vet those OM's very carefully. Why do you think we have ambiguous, confusing policies, procedures, and laws? Attorneys run the USA. (I have attorney friends too) I can't speak for our friends to the north. * Supplemental OM is interesting, but understandable. A friend has a 13 Kia and it has 3 Owner's Manuals.
You make a great point OP, but do your best and use a properly specd oil. Life is too short, enjoy it. Yes, we are OCD.......
Many drivers today are categorized as severe driving, during various seasons or city driving and don't realize it.
You make a great point OP, but do your best and use a properly specd oil. Life is too short, enjoy it. Yes, we are OCD.......
Many drivers today are categorized as severe driving, during various seasons or city driving and don't realize it.
Originally Posted by WhizkidTN
The issue that has caused the rod bearings to fail was reported by Kia (and Hyundai) initially as a "debris" issue at the USA engine plant due to ineffective cleaning out the block after machining it. They said they fixed that issue fairly early on but some "small" number of engine (under 2%) could be effected. That may have been true but apparently the real reason so many have failed is due to a design defect of the oil pump/balance shaft assembly that is located on the bottom of the engine. Over time, the oil pump fails in a way that oil starves the bearings (regardless of what oil is used or how "clean" it is) and causes this failure. They redesigned this assembly a few years ago (~2015?) and that issue should not causing this type of failure anymore. The replacement engines all have the various and latest engine tweaks that the last MY of engine production contained, so these problems should have been fixed going forward. I can tell you that at this point, I am a very happy camper about it and plan on keeping my car for a long time to come.
Well maybe not, there are still some failures on the new ones, I saw someone complaining about a rod bearing failure on a 2018 the other day on one of the Hyundai forums I am on.
Regarding the original topic, Hyundai/Kia finds a way to classify pretty much every state as severe service. Here in Texas because it's hot. I ignore the 3750mi OCI recommendations and run 5-6K OCI with 5 or 10w30 synthetic. There was a class action lawsuit for engine failures on the 2011-2014s and one of the results of that is now they can't ask for receipts of oil changes anyway.
The issue that has caused the rod bearings to fail was reported by Kia (and Hyundai) initially as a "debris" issue at the USA engine plant due to ineffective cleaning out the block after machining it. They said they fixed that issue fairly early on but some "small" number of engine (under 2%) could be effected. That may have been true but apparently the real reason so many have failed is due to a design defect of the oil pump/balance shaft assembly that is located on the bottom of the engine. Over time, the oil pump fails in a way that oil starves the bearings (regardless of what oil is used or how "clean" it is) and causes this failure. They redesigned this assembly a few years ago (~2015?) and that issue should not causing this type of failure anymore. The replacement engines all have the various and latest engine tweaks that the last MY of engine production contained, so these problems should have been fixed going forward. I can tell you that at this point, I am a very happy camper about it and plan on keeping my car for a long time to come.
Well maybe not, there are still some failures on the new ones, I saw someone complaining about a rod bearing failure on a 2018 the other day on one of the Hyundai forums I am on.
Regarding the original topic, Hyundai/Kia finds a way to classify pretty much every state as severe service. Here in Texas because it's hot. I ignore the 3750mi OCI recommendations and run 5-6K OCI with 5 or 10w30 synthetic. There was a class action lawsuit for engine failures on the 2011-2014s and one of the results of that is now they can't ask for receipts of oil changes anyway.
Originally Posted by Cujet
With Hyundai/Kia's rampant engine failures, it's a good idea to use a quality synthetic oil of sufficient viscosity and the severe service schedule.
My 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 has 211k miles with mainly 8-10k OCI's using 5w20 and I've had some fun with her too. All of the UOA's came back fantastic.
With Hyundai/Kia's rampant engine failures, it's a good idea to use a quality synthetic oil of sufficient viscosity and the severe service schedule.
My 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 has 211k miles with mainly 8-10k OCI's using 5w20 and I've had some fun with her too. All of the UOA's came back fantastic.
Originally Posted by Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted by Cujet
With Hyundai/Kia's rampant engine failures, it's a good idea to use a quality synthetic oil of sufficient viscosity and the severe service schedule.
My 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 has 211k miles with mainly 8-10k OCI's using 5w20 and I've had some fun with her too. All of the UOA's came back fantastic.
Could it be that your Genesis coupe had a better motor/different motor has to why it gas done so well??
By the way I really, really liked the Genesis coupe. If I hadn't gotten my car the GC would have certainly been a candidate to buy.
Originally Posted by Cujet
With Hyundai/Kia's rampant engine failures, it's a good idea to use a quality synthetic oil of sufficient viscosity and the severe service schedule.
My 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 has 211k miles with mainly 8-10k OCI's using 5w20 and I've had some fun with her too. All of the UOA's came back fantastic.
Could it be that your Genesis coupe had a better motor/different motor has to why it gas done so well??
By the way I really, really liked the Genesis coupe. If I hadn't gotten my car the GC would have certainly been a candidate to buy.
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.
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My Hyundai is new and I'm guessing all I need are to buy five quart jugs and oil filters separately and save the receipts. I was thinking that I will write the date and mileage on the back of each store receipt, when I change the oil and filter.
Am I missing anything? Do I need to do anything else?
My Hyundai is new and I'm guessing all I need are to buy five quart jugs and oil filters separately and save the receipts. I was thinking that I will write the date and mileage on the back of each store receipt, when I change the oil and filter.
Am I missing anything? Do I need to do anything else?
Originally Posted by Brons2
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.
This, plus I should add that affected engines came from the US manufacturing plant. Korean built engines have not had the same issues.
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.
This, plus I should add that affected engines came from the US manufacturing plant. Korean built engines have not had the same issues.
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Brons2
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.
This, plus I should add that affected engines came from the US manufacturing plant. Korean built engines have not had the same issues.
My Hyundai window sticker stated something like 57% Korea-made and 43% USA-made. Does anyone here know which parts of my Santa Fe are made here?
Originally Posted by Brons2
The "rampant failures" are on the Theta family 2.0 and 2.4s in the Sonata/Optima, Santa Fe/Sorento families. The V6s are not affected.
This, plus I should add that affected engines came from the US manufacturing plant. Korean built engines have not had the same issues.
My Hyundai window sticker stated something like 57% Korea-made and 43% USA-made. Does anyone here know which parts of my Santa Fe are made here?
Here is what Hyundai lists as Severe Service for a 2017 Elantra. Most people will be severe service as they define it.
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If any of the following conditions apply, you must follow the Maintenance Under Severe Usage Conditions.
• Repeated short distance driving.
• Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
• Extensive use of brakes.
• Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are used.
• Driving on rough or muddy roads.
• Driving in mountainous areas.
• Extended periods of idling or low speed operation.
• Driving for a prolonged period in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
• More than 50% driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90°F (32°C).
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If any of the following conditions apply, you must follow the Maintenance Under Severe Usage Conditions.
• Repeated short distance driving.
• Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
• Extensive use of brakes.
• Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are used.
• Driving on rough or muddy roads.
• Driving in mountainous areas.
• Extended periods of idling or low speed operation.
• Driving for a prolonged period in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
• More than 50% driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90°F (32°C).
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A friend in Milton, Canada told me once, his Santa Fe Sport also is on the 3750 mile service schedule. Thanks to 69Torino for the explanation and warranty practice follow up. The rest of the opinions on the other topics addressed in this thread are just internet noise.
I don't understand this thread or the title.
Do I think my Hyundai/Kia has a 10 year/100k miles warranty? Yes. Do I need to think again? No. I read the OM when I purchased my car and have serviced my car accordingly.
News flash: You have to follow the service schedule to keep your warranty no matter the vehicle brand.
Do I think my Hyundai/Kia has a 10 year/100k miles warranty? Yes. Do I need to think again? No. I read the OM when I purchased my car and have serviced my car accordingly.
News flash: You have to follow the service schedule to keep your warranty no matter the vehicle brand.
The title simple. Every driver in the US and Canada is severe service and may not realize it. So it is a shady tactic and Kia should just have a lower oci as the standard. It is no longer "severe" when it applies to 95% of population it is standard
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Originally Posted by MONKEYMAN
Here is what Hyundai lists as Severe Service for a 2017 Elantra. Most people will be severe service as they define it.
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If any of the following conditions apply, you must follow the Maintenance Under Severe Usage Conditions.
• Repeated short distance driving.
• Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
• Extensive use of brakes.
• Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are used.
• Driving on rough or muddy roads.
• Driving in mountainous areas.
• Extended periods of idling or low speed operation.
• Driving for a prolonged period in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
• More than 50% driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90°F (32°C).
Not all of those conditions affect the engine. Especially the use of brakes and rough/muddy roads. With the mention of road salts, I'm not even sure that would mean anything other than needing to inspect the body and/or brakes more often.
A lot of these recommendations oversimplify what should probably be multiple intervals into one.
Here is what Hyundai lists as Severe Service for a 2017 Elantra. Most people will be severe service as they define it.
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If any of the following conditions apply, you must follow the Maintenance Under Severe Usage Conditions.
• Repeated short distance driving.
• Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
• Extensive use of brakes.
• Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are used.
• Driving on rough or muddy roads.
• Driving in mountainous areas.
• Extended periods of idling or low speed operation.
• Driving for a prolonged period in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
• More than 50% driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90°F (32°C).
Not all of those conditions affect the engine. Especially the use of brakes and rough/muddy roads. With the mention of road salts, I'm not even sure that would mean anything other than needing to inspect the body and/or brakes more often.
A lot of these recommendations oversimplify what should probably be multiple intervals into one.
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