Kia severe maintenance intervals to maintain warranty?

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

I was surprised at how quickly the EcoDiesel tore through its 10L of oil on the OLM versus the Jeep, which has ~30% left on the OLM at present and is closing in on 9,000Km.

But my question still stands: Does Kia/Hyundai not use an OLM? Because it would seem that all of this could be accounted for if they did

My 2006 Santa Fe didn't and the later Hyundai's in the family don't.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

I was surprised at how quickly the EcoDiesel tore through its 10L of oil on the OLM versus the Jeep, which has ~30% left on the OLM at present and is closing in on 9,000Km.

But my question still stands: Does Kia/Hyundai not use an OLM? Because it would seem that all of this could be accounted for if they did

My 2006 Santa Fe didn't and the later Hyundai's in the family don't.


That seems very strange, given that most marques have gone that direction.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

I was surprised at how quickly the EcoDiesel tore through its 10L of oil on the OLM versus the Jeep, which has ~30% left on the OLM at present and is closing in on 9,000Km.

But my question still stands: Does Kia/Hyundai not use an OLM? Because it would seem that all of this could be accounted for if they did

There are a few things that an OLM won't account for - especially dusty conditions. Great for factoring temperature and short/long trip driving into an OCI. Also - I'm looking at a new car where the owners manual says 1 year tops no matter what the OLM says. So I suppose one is expected to dump the oil and reset the OLM.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Jman26063
Not every manufacturer broadly defines driving in salty conditions as severe service alone. Cold temps ok, short trips ok, very hot ok. But just a blanket "salt used" to define when to change your oil is ridiculous. I am not arguing one doesnt need to read a manual. Im stating that it is misleading to include basically 2 countries as severe service and not just call it routine service

I understand that you don't like it, but I am failing to understand why people need to "think again" if they actually have their stated manufacturer warranty. It's one thing to not like the rules required to keep it, but as long as you abide by the rules, you have no reason to believe that you won't have your warranty honored. I own a Hyundai. I have a 10 year/100k miles warranty. No, I don't need to think again. I have followed the service schedule whether I agree with it or not. I don't understand what's so hard about this.


The service schedule gets to be expensive to follow. Now add 10 years...... Oh' Boy.... very-very expensive.

It costs me less than $20/OCI, and add that to the fact that I got a car that's among the cheapest in it's class with a 10 year/100k warranty, I think I'll come out ahead on that one financially.


JustN8Y
The Service Agreement to follow (THAT YOU MENTIONED) for 10 years, is much-much more than just oil changes.

 

[StevieC]

I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. Hyundai has jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but no temperature control of the oil with an exchanger and no OLM?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by y_p_w
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Do these vehicles not have OLM's?

The OLM in my FIL's Caravan hadn't gone off when I drained the oil for the UOA posted here. I wouldn't run the oil any longer but clearly Chrysler would have been fine with it and they allow conventional oil to be used in that engine under those conditions.

I was surprised at how quickly the EcoDiesel tore through its 10L of oil on the OLM versus the Jeep, which has ~30% left on the OLM at present and is closing in on 9,000Km.

But my question still stands: Does Kia/Hyundai not use an OLM? Because it would seem that all of this could be accounted for if they did

There are a few things that an OLM won't account for - especially dusty conditions. Great for factoring temperature and short/long trip driving into an OCI. Also - I'm looking at a new car where the owners manual says 1 year tops no matter what the OLM says. So I suppose one is expected to dump the oil and reset the OLM.


Dusty conditions really shouldn't be much of an issue with a well sealed intake tract and good filter. And yes, the 1-year thing isn't unusual.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. Hyundai has jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but no temperature control of the oil with an exchanger and no OLM?

Exactly

Seems... backwards?

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by Jman26063
Exactly my point. Kia/Hyjndai is stricter than "most" other manufacturers.



So what?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. They have jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but not this and no OLM?

Since you mentioned that, my Hyundai takes twice-as-long to warm in the winter, as any new vehicle I've purchased, since fuel injection came into play in approx 1980.

 

[Jman26063]

The 6000 mile "standard service" is basically a lie. It applies to almost no one

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. They have jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but not this and no OLM?

Since you mentioned that, my Hyundai takes twice-as-long to warm in the winter, as any new vehicle I've purchased, since fuel injection came into play in approx 1980.


Big radiators, less engine friction today, lighter wight oils taking longer to warm up, less fuel being burn't in tightly controlled engines. It's why I plug in my Caravan and even then I still don't get heat for 10 miles (16km) which is about the time I'm getting on the highway. After removing the plug for the block heater and starting the vehicle the coolant is only at 90F-100F depending on the outdoor temperature.

If I don't plug it in it can be 25 miles (40km) or so before I get decent heat like when I'm leaving the office after the vehicle has sat all day. I do find that if I give it a few minutes to warm up the coolant as opposed to 30 seconds and then driving off that it will warm up much faster for some reason. One would think the opposite but it isn't the case.

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. Hyundai has jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but no temperature control of the oil with an exchanger and no OLM?

OLMs are over rated. My Colorado had an OLM. Engine ate itself at 114k....

 

[StevieC]

That's a GM problem not the OLM.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

All that idling adds to the fuel dilution issues too.
I only cold idle for a couple minutes - then feather the gas for two miles or-so.
BTW.... I've never stomped on the Hyundai gas pedal yet. Never pressed it down more than halfway. I need to investigate when it's a good time to hammer it on the freeway and get her to 90MPH quickly (but very shortly). I suspect not for at least the first 6-7K, for these engines are so high compression / bored-out, that I'm afraid something will pop loose....lol

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. Hyundai has jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but no temperature control of the oil with an exchanger and no OLM?

OLMs are over rated. My Colorado had an OLM. Engine ate itself at 114k....


Don't say that! Take it back...lol. My Colorado currently sits at 115K.

 

[JustN89]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
The Service Agreement to follow (THAT YOU MENTIONED) for 10 years, is much-much more than just oil changes.

During the life of the warranty, only 4 things are called out for replacement by Hyundai during the severe service schedule: Oil/Filter, engine air filter, cabin air filter, and transmission fluid (which many on here would be glad to see listed on the service schedule instead of Hyundai sticking by the "lifetime fluid" shtick).

How many warranties have you seen be denied because the air filter wasn't replaced? Or is paying $10 every 30k miles ($30 over the life of the warranty) to replace the engine air filter more exorbitant than any other manufactuer?

How many warranties have you seen be denied because the cabin air filter wasn't changed?

It's laughable that this is considered "much-much more" than just an OCI or than what every other manufacturer calls for.

Since I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people posting in this thread haven't even read the service schedule for Hyundai, here is the recommended severe service maintenance schedule. There's way too much hyperbole in this thread.

 

[Jman26063]

Link just goes to main page. Why is it severe service is the question? Why is it not just not normal service if it is such a blanket coverage of consumers. Shouldn't "severe" be maybe severe? and not just driving a car in the western hemisphere

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
The Service Agreement to follow (THAT YOU MENTIONED) for 10 years, is much-much more than just oil changes.

During the life of the warranty, only 4 things are called out for replacement by Hyundai during the severe service schedule: Oil/Filter, engine air filter, cabin air filter, and transmission fluid (which many on here would be glad to see listed on the service schedule instead of Hyundai sticking by the "lifetime fluid" shtick).

How many warranties have you seen be denied because the air filter wasn't replaced? Or is paying $10 every 30k miles ($30 over the life of the warranty) to replace the engine air filter more exorbitant than any other manufactuer?

How many warranties have you seen be denied because the cabin air filter wasn't changed?

It's laughable that this is considered "much-much more" than just an OCI or than what every other manufacturer calls for.

Since I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people posting in this thread haven't even read the service schedule for Hyundai, here is the recommended severe service maintenance schedule. There's way too much hyperbole in this thread.


Someone here at BITOG mentioned mandatory, periodic checkups (first one at 12k) that cost around $200 with labor.
So is that person lying or wrong?

 

[Brigadier]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Brigadier
Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't get why Hyundai doesn't have a higher flow breathing system and some sort of oil to coolant heat exchanger to ensure the oil warms up and stays hot but tightly controlled during operation to extend the oil change interval. The other OE's are doing it. Hyundai has jumped on filter cartridges, direct injection, turbos etc. but no temperature control of the oil with an exchanger and no OLM?

OLMs are over rated. My Colorado had an OLM. Engine ate itself at 114k....


Don't say that! Take it back...lol. My Colorado currently sits at 115K.


Sorry buddy......P0305 - had to have a complete engine rebuild.

Good luck...

 

[JustN89]

Originally Posted by Jman26063
Link just goes to main page. Why is it severe service is the question? Why is it not just not normal service if it is such a blanket coverage of consumers

Sorry, you'll have to input the information. It works though, I just did it.

I don't know, ask Hyundai, Kia, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Chevy, Ram, Dodge, Jeep, or any other manufacturer why their severe schedule covers a majority of their consumers and the normal schedule only covers abnormal use of their vehicle. That's just what it is and this has been a thing for as long as this site has been around. So again, what is the news here?