K24 cylinder wall scorch mark?

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Just bought a cheap boroscope and was checking out my k24 with 165k. Taking this car over from sister in law. Oil change history is questionable but generally “on time” from the quick lube stickers.

This is cyl 1, haven’t checked the others yet but will scope them all once my compression tester arrives.

No scoring from I could see but trying to understand what would cause such a mark.

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possible to get a clearer image?

is that scratch ideal? no

have I rebuilt engines with similar scratches and had ZERO i mean ZERO issues? yes (didn't burn any oil or had any compression issues) but they were within OEM Toyota specifications, Honda might be similar but I don't have any experience with them.
 
Scratches don't look that bad. The scorch mark... not sure. Maybe it had a bad start at some point? sat with some moisture? maybe that's close to some webbing and maybe it got hot once, and it buffed that metal a bit more than the rest?
 
Looks like some piston skirt wear marks, its pretty normal especially when folks redline frequently. Piston wobbles on the wrist pin under high load.

Could have sat up for awhile as well, not uncommon for a unused motor to develop a rust/rough spot after sitting for a long time especially in the elements if water gets in.

I wouldn't be to concerned not uncommon, and piston skirts* tend to have some wear on every motor I've seen with any real mileage.
 
That mark is from the side of the piston pressing against the side of the cylinder because the bottom of the connecting rod ( big end ) connection to the crank journal bearing traveles through a region where it is not directly in line with the center of the cylinder, during every power stroke. ( un-like, it is in line, at TDC and bdc ). That area is a common area for wear because of that.

Don't use compression testers with the check valve near the gauge and at a distance from the sparkplug hole fitting. The hose of those type puts too much space into the setup resulting in inaccurate readings.

If you really want to know if it has worn to an extent that its a problem, do a compression test, ( with a tester with the check valve in the part that screws into the sparkplug hole, with the fuel system disabled, the spark disabled, and do at least 8 revolutions with 4 compression strokes in a row when testing each cylinder ).

If the leakage caused by that wear becomes excessive, ( compression too low ) you'll have a lot of blowby ( check to see how high the unscrewed oil fill cap dances when placed on the oil fil hole with engine idling ), and when it gets severe, the engine will not have enough compression to start on cold days when it has sat long enough to completely cool to ambient. When it does that, its time to replace the engine.

If the piston rings are stuck because of carbon buildup, then that kind of wear happens quicker, and the engine wears out quicker.

Because gumed up piston rings " might " be contributing to this problem, it would be wise to use VRP for the remaining life of that engine, however long or short that may be.

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Also, just in case you don't know it, those engines really require valve adjustment every 100 K miles. They are simple overhead cams with rockers and adjusters. There's no hydraulic lifter to take up slack with wear. The intakes in general become loose with high miles, resulting in a slight loss of power because they may not open enough, and might make more noise. But in general, the exhaust valves become tighter with use, resulting in a quiet valve that can destroy the engine if it gets too tight. If an exhaust valve gets too tight, it WILL melt as the super hot combustion gases rush past the small opening because it did not close all the way. The melted valve pieces usually manage to get a few pieces between the cylinder wall and piston and ruin the engine. Then the entire engine requires replacement.

Some people mistakenly think if it ain't making excessive valve noise, its alright. But you can have exhaust valves too tight without intakes making excess noise. It only takes one becoming tight enough to not close all the way, to ruin an engine. And that engine has 8 exhaust valves.

The hot gas byproducts after ignition ARE WAY TOOOOOOOO HOT for any exhaust valve to handle when the piston is still up. Only AFTER the piston moves down to provide room for those gasss to expand and drastically reduce temperature because of expansion, can an exhaust valve handle those gases going by it. That's why as soon as any exhaust valve becomes tight enough to not close all the way, its game over, and that engine can be ruined. Sometimes people get lucky and all the melted valve pieces get blown out the exhaust and it only needs a new valve seat or head, and valve. But usually the melted valve pieces manage to score the cylinder wall and ruin the engine.

If the valves have not been adjusted, adjust them ASAP.
 
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The more important issue, as long as I am seeing it correctly in the fuzzy pictures, is what looks like ONE open exhaust valve.

Staining on parts happens.
 
Taking a close look at the pictures, if that second picture is of a valve, then its already had an exhaust valve damage.

And that ^ is something that would show up big time with a compression tester.
 
Second pic is looking down at the top of the piston. Sorry I know the photos are poor quality. I’ll try to get some better ones next time I work on it.

Plan to have a local Honda-only shop due the valve adjustment. I’d like to get their read on everything anyway.

FWIW the engine seems to run fine. No codes, no abnormal noise, no smoking. I haven’t been able to drive it enough to establish how much oil consumption. I did put in VRP 5w-30
 
Second pic is looking down at the top of the piston. Sorry I know the photos are poor quality. I’ll try to get some better ones next time I work on it.

Plan to have a local Honda-only shop due the valve adjustment. I’d like to get their read on everything anyway.

FWIW the engine seems to run fine. No codes, no abnormal noise, no smoking. I haven’t been able to drive it enough to establish how much oil consumption. I did put in VRP 5w-30
I would learn to do the Valve Adjustment yourself (it is very easy), and it is due every 30k miles, and while you are doing it you can take more pictures.
 
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