Just had to remove FRAM XG4967!

[lipadj46]

Originally Posted By: buickman50401
BTW I'm curious as to all the "trouble" Arco has with his vehicles. Anyone got any links to said posts or could give a brief explanation?


Use the advanced search function and go back to the early days of arco but in a nutshell he has claimed to have no less than 2 very new vehicles have oil related engine failure (or near engine failure) while using the manufacturer recommended oil and OCIs. Also I believe on top of that the manufacturer would not warranty these engines. So he was on a quest for the "holy grail" oil (like using snowmobile and ATV oil in his cars). Naturally members here were quite dubious of his claims. He acts like that never happened these days though. He has stuck it out though and now people look to him for advice, ironic.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Use the advanced search function and go back to the early days of arco but in a nutshell he has claimed to have no less than 2 very new vehicles have oil related engine failure (or near engine failure) while using the manufacturer recommended oil and OCIs.


I haven't read all his posts, but I'm leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt. I've got a buddy who is a bit of a poop magnet, too. If anything can possibly go wrong for him with a vehicle, new or used, it will happen to him. If the failure rate of engines due to oil is 1 out of a million, my buddy will be that one. He's not mechanically inept, and he doesn't experiment with anything strange. He doesn't do extended OCIs, or forget to rotate tires, or run garbage gas, or drive his vehicles hard. Yet, he's a walking testament to strange vehicle problems.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: buickman50401
BTW I'm curious as to all the "trouble" Arco has with his vehicles. Anyone got any links to said posts or could give a brief explanation?


Use the advanced search function and go back to the early days of arco but in a nutshell he has claimed to have no less than 2 very new vehicles have oil related engine failure (or near engine failure) while using the manufacturer recommended oil and OCIs. Also I believe on top of that the manufacturer would not warranty these engines. So he was on a quest for the "holy grail" oil (like using snowmobile and ATV oil in his cars). Naturally members here were quite dubious of his claims. He acts like that never happened these days though. He has stuck it out though and now people look to him for advice, ironic.


Thanks. I found the snowmobile/lawnmower stuff. I also got the impression that he thinks that sometime since the mid 80s or so, short piston skirts in many new engines are causing piton slap in every vehicle under the sun. What I gathered is that there is a whole host of maladies and complaints and (imagined) "serious engine problems" on nearly every vehicle he's owned and that 5w30 so-called "low SAPs" oil is apparently the devil's urine in terms of its pure concentrated evilness.

I've had piston slap in one vehicle from a worn/loose wrist pin ('88 Ciera with 150k miles on the clock) Its very distinct and what he keeps "experiencing" (and I use that term loosely) seems to be normal engine noise associated with the valve train and other such benign sources.

Guess I'll just keep digging further into his old posts to get the full essence of the Arco experience.

I also got the impression that he isn't the easiest on his vehicles in terms of his driving style and that he's big in waving his credentials around - which well... in my experience those who usually do often are questionable sources of information. I've met plenty of PhDs of (insert field) who outside of their narrow focus are really lacking in some areas.

 

[Gary Allan]

Oh ..Arco? From what I gather he just flogs engines until they break. I would have thought that transmissions would be the first casualty from such usage ..but I guess if you try enough ..in just the right way....

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Oh ..Arco? From what I gather he just flogs engines until they break. I would have thought that transmissions would be the first casualty from such usage ..but I guess if you try enough ..in just the right way....


Yeah I've gathered that at this point.

Choice Arco Posts up through Dec 2009:
in mostly reverse chronilogical order - comments in italics mine

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

I have not had an engine last more than 45K miles in the past 10 years on 30wt never mind 20wt. But My commute is the equivalent of 20 1/4 mile drag runs and 5 laps WOT of Watkins Glen EVERYDAY. Poor flogged yaris. I'm harder on my cars than just about any sane person. I even blew a motor in the first hour of ownership(KIA RIO5 1.6L)

Hmmm? Perhaps its not the oil?

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May be listen for tick. The injectors canm be noisy too. Valve adjustment on this engine if needed is over 400 dollars since they are not adjustable and the cams have to come out and the tappets have to be shimed. I hope you're using a good oil. These engines are prone to cam wear from the weak oil(SM) available now. My cam was worn out at only 50K miles due to oil.

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We just lost our rav4 engine to the Toyota service centre putting 20wt in and I'm [censored]! WAS a wonderfull engine. only 50K miles. Read that TSB carefully, it doe NOT say you can back spec the oil weight on older models - you HAVE to use the 5w30 as the lightest grade if that is what is on the CAP and manual. Period. I would be leery on your 09. Lost a new KIA to 20wt back specing and our new Subaru has a rod knock, day-1 on 20wt. SO MY junkyard is littered with 20wt casulties,

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Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!

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Some VVTi systems are also surprising sensitive to oil filters. My Yaris likes the WIX for best low end torque and the Purolator for best top end - when using the same grade oil.

So I can change my torque curve using a different filter? Interesting.

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My car never ran good after an oil change with the stuff. (As a Kid we all used Castrol GTX or TEXACO or ESSO). And yeah, I dont like the yellow bottles either. I had it in my Yaris to accelerate break in - it almost accelerated BREAKAGE. Did OK in normal commuting and NORMAL driving, but couldnt take some street racing I was up to. I guess shouldnt be street racing a Yaris having grey hair and Cataract Sunshades, should I ... ;(

I'm sensing that oil isn't the issue and perhaps flogging the poor Yaris just might be.

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Started as faint piston slap, then noisier slap then oil usage at about 1qt/1000 miles. Car had periodic timing chain noise. Had the same prob on my Yaris until I went away from economy oils and the thailand sourced denso filters. The only severe service is ungaraged cold starts in the winter - had a week of well below zero F, sometimes reaching 15 below. Her commute is about 37 miles one way. The dealer said that the engine noise is "normal" that these engine are noisy. So it was about off warranty and decided to trade it. Loaaded it up with Higher Mileage engine oil and off it went to the Subaru lot. So is it engine or oil quality? Had dino its whole short life: genuine toyota or clean 5K 5w30.

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The problem is supposedly reliable cars wore out using 5w30 SM oil. I'm starting to blame the oil or the filter or is it a side effect of E10 we have to use up here? Traded the Aerio, the Suzuki Vitara, the 3.0 Dodge R/T, Chevy 1500 4.3 W/T early due to increased oil usage and piston /bearing noise. And my Yaris was starting to succumb, but i bit it in the bud by changing filter brands and going to fauxsyn. I guess if I ran PP or Syntec or Fuchs or TOTAL thay all be still running?

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In my old fasioned book noise = wear. I always factor in the 20% decrease mileage, power and then oil consumption going from a pint per OCI to 3 quarts/ OCI. The CAT will not tolerate this oil loading so engine=done.

Ah! I see.

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Ive had the best high rpm, wide open throttle power with RP 5w30 street oil. But I dumped it BC I didnt like the way the car ran in normal driving. The yaris has very sensitive VVTI system. I have castrol syntec in there now, and that has good power - though i had to add 1 pint of 10w40 syntec to get the VVTi working in the sweet-spot. When its working right, it feels like a low pressure turbo. I say viscoisty customisation using your fav brand of syn is the way to go. Europeans do it all the time - and play with their oil too wink

And then in the same breath a week or so later

- My Toyota is starting to get real noisy in the valvtrain on the castrol syntec. IDK whassup. I give up ... ..... ... Oh, shoot, maybe I'll take one last shot and change the filter in case its loaded - it's had startup racket since the oci and may have a bad ADBV (WIX).

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I dont know if my Yaris 1nzfe runs closed loop at WOT or not - pretty sure it has a wide band O2 sensor though. How much leaner does a car run with ethanol " enhanced" fuel and will it toast the motor when I decarbonize the car once a week on the highway?

Flogged hard to "decarbonize" WEEKLY!?! and the engine will "toast" itself if run on E10!?!

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Another italian tuneup Q: I try to do this (WOT) in 3rd gear and keep revs 500rpm below redline - but for how long? I try to do about 3 four-to-five second WOT run ups and let her cool down; DO you feel this abusive? I have my syn oil padded with 1/2 qt of M1 racing 4T superbike real syntetic - seems to be a great "additive" ; always has improved "seat of pants" on all oils I ever put it on top of - trying to say I think I have the oil robustness covered for this Italian tuneup beating.

Beating I think being the keyword here.

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Was quiet on the test drive, then on the way home it started making a sound like a rod big end knock at light throttle before changing gears. The breakin oil is near 20wt. May have damaged something.

This brand new car suddenly has problems immediately after signing the paperwork?

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Looking for a better additised oil for my noisy toyota Yaris. The cam/ pistons seem to headed down the same path as our dead rav4 on SM GF4. See any problems running the older SL rated 10w30 deere small engine oil in my car? Synpower or syntec dont seem to cut it. I would try rotella cj4 10w30 but I am assuming the deere is a bit thinner. And no, I dont want to run GC or PP (at this juncture)

That's it. We've jumped the shark!

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This afternoon I did an 'emergency" OC, I went with Rotella t 10w30 cj4 and a purolator which is locally available at SANEL Autoparts. Car is smooth, powerful and quiet. So much for Castrol Syntec! BAH! I think Im no longer a synner or a 5W-XX guy. Until the next time . Now to figue out why my transaxle is making a racket... The amsoil guy has to special order the HDD or ACD.

Couldn't possibly be the constant flogging of what is an econobox? Nah. No way.

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I plan to run rotella T 10w30 cj-4 up here in both our cars IDK how cold it gets. Guaranteed 1 week of -15F ungaraged starts. I'm done with 5w -X oils and SM Energy Conserving. This glop is killing ALL my cars. PAN heater or block heater?

But did you break them in on this stuff? Something's very wrong and I'm through with SM and smog oil. All dead and gone at < 50K with meticulous service: 00 Vitara 2.0L, 05 Sx4 2.3L, Dodge R/T (mitsubishi) 3.0L, 05 Rav4 2azfe, 07 Silverado W/T 4.3L.

Its the driver and/or its imagined. Not the oil.

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Its not "luck" its a bad trend. The only "dumb" thing is the cars get unaided starts through winter - ungaraged. They see a week of -15 F cold starts. Thinking about a block and pan heater. I worked as an engine builder in the late 70's early 80s. NIASE master cert.

So do mine. Actually more like 2 weeks to a month. 5w30 or 0w30. Zero issues. This isn't the depths of the cold dead Alaskan wilderness.
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When I was running syntec 5w30 in my Yaris I was having a loud CLUNK every time I clutched the car. I was mentally prepareing myself for transaxle service - or at least a fluid change. Now that I did the last OC with RT1030 CJ4 (+ purolator prem)I noticed the clunking is gone! I have thoughts on this, but will hold my tongue until I get a couple well considered responses. Whaddya Thunk?

Engine oil change to new brand cures transaxle? Interesting.

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A Mazda 323 I owned had a recall for improperly machined crank thrust flange. Just surprised I could see a difference on the Yaris - didnt expect to - or expect the syntec to cause this much trouble. This car gets jackrabbited off of almost every light that has a clear road ahead, so it has 1000's of drag starts on the clock. Gotta keep my reaction time sharp wink

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Well, if it kills the Yaris real fast, then I can post how 5w-20 is "death by lighter fluid lube" and if it runs good I'll get good fuel mileage and post that it runs good. A veritable Win/Win for me wink 5w-20 should be an inherently more stable oil than 5w30: More oil, less vii shearing/deposits.

Wait! What? Now you're back to 5w20?


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Now back to the common failure mode. starting around 35Kmi and progressing: Excessive engine noise that sounds like piston slap and/or rod big end knock - almost diesel loud; great loss of midrange torque; ~ 20 % reduction in fuel mileage, and oil burning going from 1 cup per OCi to 2-4 qts per OCi. This is what constitutes a "failure" in my book - not a thrown rod.

Stop beating them to death

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Here's my 06 Rio5 SX (nice chassis!) that had a rod knock off the lot when I picked it up new - but not heard when I was test driving it, 5w-20 oil FYI. Traded it in on the Chevy truck a week later at a $2700.00 loss.

Same as the Yaris. Its either a conspiracy or "something else" - and that something else has nothing to do with GF-4/SM oils.

,,,,,

Look into my past posts. The enginee wore out, as did my suzuki 2.3, and suzuki 2.0. I blame poor GF4 oil and reform gas. This car (rav) was dealer service with genuine toyota parts and oil and driven by my wife. Never had probs until SL came along and got worse with SM.

Look elsewhere for the cause. There is one commonality here... *hint* its you.

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You may want to re-consider a 5w30 or 0w30 for winter over the 20w. I had a 07 Rio SX 5-door wagon (same wimpy motor) that spun it's rod bearing right off the dealer lot, same thing happened to our current Forester. Both the vehicles had 5w-20 in the crankcase as FF. I would not run 20wt in anything that isnt spec'd for 20wt in europe and asia. Its a time bomb proven to me over and over and over again, first hand. BTW very nice chassis on that Rio. Be great with a nice 1.8L turbo motor.

*shakes head*

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As far a shearing goes - I dont like oil that shears to a 20wt - because I dont feel a 30wt engine design can live on high 20wt oil and the modest SM ADDS. you have 70HP/litre engines and 10% ethanol fuels the cars cry UNCLE at some point. None of my 5 past cars lived past 50K on this lightweight, underadditised oil.If you drive like grandma this will prob not be a concern - but a NINJA cutthroat gymkahna commute dicing at 70-90 MPH on the ineterstate and full throttle stoplight jumps through town - FORGET IT.

Stop. Just stop. Stop flogging them to death and I bet you'll stop grenading things at 50k.


Really there is something wrong here, and its not the oil, nor is it anything mechanical. Pennzoil conventional, syn, then lawnmower oil, then filter swaps then etc. etc.

There's also a pattern of put in brand X oil. Oil is fine for short time. Suddenly "problem" arrises. Swap for something new. Same with filters.

So yeah. Gary, I'm going with beats them to death along with that he might have some personal issues (I've seen such behavior and or thinking patterns in those with OCD and similar conditions). They fixate on one thing. In this case its the SM/GF-4 oils and the sounds of the engine being caused by those oils rather than looking at the obvious commonality - the driver who floggs cars to death. Its not a personal attack on him. I feel sorry for people with these kind of conditions. Its part of the reason I got on some meds myself to fix the OCD/anxiety.

I pulled those quotes as a warning to newer members (who like me were unaware of Arco's colorful history).

 

[prax]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Oh ..Arco? From what I gather he just flogs engines until they break. I would have thought that transmissions would be the first casualty from such usage ..but I guess if you try enough ..in just the right way....


Quote:
I even blew a motor in the first hour of ownership(KIA RIO5 1.6L

Looks like he flogs them from the get go. Can't be good for engine life.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: buickman50401

So yeah. Gary, I'm going with beats them to death along with that he might have some personal issues (I've seen such behavior and or thinking patterns in those with OCD and similar conditions). They fixate on one thing. In this case its the SM/GF-4 oils and the sounds of the engine being caused by those oils rather than looking at the obvious commonality - the driver who floggs cars to death. Its not a personal attack on him. I feel sorry for people with these kind of conditions. Its part of the reason I got on some meds myself to fix the OCD/anxiety.


Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out

. I don't think this goes along with the rules of this chat board. Everyone is different .... time to let it go and move on.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out

. I don't think this goes along with the rules of this chat board. Everyone is different .... time to let it go and move on.

I've been a member here off and on since around about 2002 when Bob still ran the boards/site. My current reg date is from when I had to create a new account after losing the login info when changing to a new computer and being unable to recover it since the email account it was tied to was ancient and no longer in use. I came here back in my early 20s because I was curious. I stayed (now in my 30s - wow has it been that long) because I find the boards interesting and useful.

I don't have an agenda against him. I do have an agenda, if you could call it that, regarding some of the misinformation he keeps spreading. It was suggested I look at some of his old posts to "see for myself".

What I saw was someone who has repeatedly claimed that SM/GF-4 oils will are ruining engines. Its patently a load of hogwash. While I think its generally agreed on here that SM/GF-4 oils are poor choices for some specific applications (flat tappet cams), SM oils have been in use since 2004. There are not engines lying dead all over the side of the road because of it.

Arco attributes all of his problems to SM oils even though he's mentioned that he beats on his vehicles (quoting - jackrabbit WOT starts from stoplights). He refuses to consider that it is perhaps his behavior and not the oil itself that is a problem.

Now I'm not going to say that some of the failures he's experienced aren't in some way related to a failure of the oil to protect the engine. However, I'd argue that any such failures were created by him flogging on his vehicles continually to the point that pretty much any oil will eventually fail to protect them.

I lost the engine in my 03 Buick in March. I could claim that what killed it was a lubrication failure because ultimately that is what killed it. Cylinder #5 seized ruining that cylinder bank/head and bending the crank. However, what led to the lubrication failure was an injector that failed, and leaked into the cylinder. It washed down the oil from the cylinder walls and well you can figure out the rest... no oil, bare metal on metal contact = EEP!

A Yaris isn't a sports car. If he wants to drive like he's in a sports car (i.e. his WOT stoplight takeoffs etc.) then he should drive a sports car, otherwise he shouldn't be surprised when things start to go wrong with his vehicles. Treat an economy car like a sports car and expect something to fail much sooner than it should.

 

[bigmike]

What I saw was a barrel of laughs. I literally laughed out loud at a few of those quotes you dug up. You can't make this stuff up!

 

[addyguy]

Buickman,

I really appreciate you 'putting together' all those quotes to get to the truth about ArcoGraphite's claims. I've been saying for a while that it is just straight abuse that kills his cars, and he certainly isn't hiding how he treats them.

If he 'exaggerated' in one post, that's one thing. But here we have a clear picture of continous, habitual abuse of his cars causing failure. I wonder if he even realizes he's treating his cars in such a way that they WON'T survive?

 

[scurvy]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


When someone continues to make outlandish claims that fly in the face of the bulk of users' experiences, tribology, physics & common sense... then has problems keeping engines running, you can't help but bring up the past to explain the present. If trying to come to the truth and explain people's reasoning behind their thoughts by showing their past experiences counts as an agenda, then I absolutely have one.

ARCOgraphite has a particular peculiar way of explaining what happened and why, and at times it may be useful to remind others of his previous adventures & reasoning, so that they can understand where his advice comes from.

Here's a few of his gems that are my favorites.

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My wife drives conservatively and has killed her last 2 engines at 50-60K. One Suzuki 2L and one 2.4L 2azfe. Just trying to keep the lil bugger alive, given it sticks its T-chain A LOT with dino.
...
I can tell vis from the drivers seat
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My transmission are usually toast by 50K so I'm just trying to keep the engine healthy until trade in time
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I break MT on every car ive owned. Usually input shaft beaing or final drive bearing due to constant hard launches.
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I had tesioner sticking on the conventionals
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This new coolant loss and muddy brown colour "issue" is bothering me
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The toyota engines are different animals and are hypersensitive to flow differences in filters
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if you mostly just "ride around" in you car, or, drive it hard for visceral pleasure. I am in camp #2. I dont expect a manual transaxle in a hard-driven car to hold up. I do expect the engine to, though, and they have in MOST of my cars over the past 40 years.
...
I went through the same issue with AFE in my Toyota, then things settled down nicely. Run the engine hard today to get oil into the ringland area and see if the next day things settle down. Wide open throttle run ups 3.5-5Krpm a few times in 3rd gear (on the highway) should do it - if it would eork at all.
...
My Suzuki Aerio SX 2.3 got loud after an OC with GC and it never was quiet again no matter what oil I put in it.


And all of that was just from ONE THREAD. Say what you will, but at least he's got an opinion instead of '+1'.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: scurvy
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


When someone continues to make outlandish claims that fly in the face of the bulk of users' experiences, tribology, physics & common sense... then has problems keeping engines running, you can't help but bring up the past to explain the present. If trying to come to the truth and explain people's reasoning behind their thoughts by showing their past experiences counts as an agenda, then I absolutely have one.

ARCOgraphite has a particular peculiar way of explaining what happened and why, and at times it may be useful to remind others of his previous adventures & reasoning, so that they can understand where his advice comes from.

Here's a few of his gems that are my favorites.

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My wife drives conservatively and has killed her last 2 engines at 50-60K. One Suzuki 2L and one 2.4L 2azfe. Just trying to keep the lil bugger alive, given it sticks its T-chain A LOT with dino.
...
I can tell vis from the drivers seat
...
My transmission are usually toast by 50K so I'm just trying to keep the engine healthy until trade in time
...
I break MT on every car ive owned. Usually input shaft beaing or final drive bearing due to constant hard launches.
...
I had tesioner sticking on the conventionals
...
This new coolant loss and muddy brown colour "issue" is bothering me
...
The toyota engines are different animals and are hypersensitive to flow differences in filters
...
if you mostly just "ride around" in you car, or, drive it hard for visceral pleasure. I am in camp #2. I dont expect a manual transaxle in a hard-driven car to hold up. I do expect the engine to, though, and they have in MOST of my cars over the past 40 years.
...
I went through the same issue with AFE in my Toyota, then things settled down nicely. Run the engine hard today to get oil into the ringland area and see if the next day things settle down. Wide open throttle run ups 3.5-5Krpm a few times in 3rd gear (on the highway) should do it - if it would eork at all.
...
My Suzuki Aerio SX 2.3 got loud after an OC with GC and it never was quiet again no matter what oil I put in it.


And all of that was just from ONE THREAD. Say what you will, but at least he's got an opinion instead of '+1'.


So the guy is hard on cars ... who cares? Really, most people are intelligent enough to see through most people's b.s. stories. Is he really leading everyone "astray" ... doesn't seem to be working on me.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: scurvy

ARCOgraphite has a particular peculiar way of explaining what happened and why, and at times it may be useful to remind others of his previous adventures & reasoning, so that they can understand where his advice comes from.

Here's a few of his gems that are my favorites.

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My transmission are usually toast by 50K so I'm just trying to keep the engine healthy until trade in time.

I break MT on every car ive owned. Usually input shaft beaing or final drive bearing due to constant hard launches.



And all of that was just from ONE THREAD. Say what you will, but at least he's got an opinion instead of '+1'.


Jesus. I didn't see that one quote. I'm left scratching my head on that one.

"Yeah, yeah. I beat on my cars to the point that I destroy the trans in every car I've owned but I expect better of the engine."

I pity whomever ends up with his vehicles after he trades them in. Nothing like thinking your getting a decent used car with only 50k mi on the clock when in reality you've gotten yourself a car with a shot transmission and an engine that isn't too long for this world either.

I'm surprised he doesn't' destroy more CV joints and other driveline components. Of course there was a mention he made of the Yaris needing some suspension/driveline work at 26k miles so...

 

[lipadj46]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


No one has an agenda it is just funny/ironic that you have a guy who does not believe in modern oil, thrashes his economy cars to death and blames it on the oil, and spreads tons of misinformation being considered one of the more "wise" users on this board by the new comers. Some of us just have to keep it real sometimes. I got nothing against him, I get a laugh from his posts so its all good.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


No one has an agenda it is just funny/ironic that you have a guy who does not believe in modern oil, thrashes his economy cars to death and blames it on the oil, and spreads tons of misinformation being considered one of the more "wise" users on this board by the new comers. Some of us just have to keep it real sometimes. I got nothing against him, I get a laugh from his posts so its all good.


+1

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


No one has an agenda it is just funny/ironic that you have a guy who does not believe in modern oil, thrashes his economy cars to death and blames it on the oil, and spreads tons of misinformation being considered one of the more "wise" users on this board by the new comers. Some of us just have to keep it real sometimes. I got nothing against him, I get a laugh from his posts so its all good.


So the agenda is to "protect" the newbies from someone that keeps spewing mis-information?

... welcome the the internet and chat boards!

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


No one has an agenda it is just funny/ironic that you have a guy who does not believe in modern oil, thrashes his economy cars to death and blames it on the oil, and spreads tons of misinformation being considered one of the more "wise" users on this board by the new comers. Some of us just have to keep it real sometimes. I got nothing against him, I get a laugh from his posts so its all good.


So the agenda is to "protect" the newbies from someone that keeps spewing mis-information?

... welcome the the internet and chat boards!

This board used to be different than most chat boards because it actually contained real information, not the misinformation that has flooded this board ever since a few members have joined...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well, from what I keep reading it seems you have some kind of agenda towards him at this point - digging up old posts to point things out


No one has an agenda it is just funny/ironic that you have a guy who does not believe in modern oil, thrashes his economy cars to death and blames it on the oil, and spreads tons of misinformation being considered one of the more "wise" users on this board by the new comers. Some of us just have to keep it real sometimes. I got nothing against him, I get a laugh from his posts so its all good.


So the agenda is to "protect" the newbies from someone that keeps spewing mis-information?

... welcome the the internet and chat boards!

This board used to be different than most chat boards because it actually contained real information, not the misinformation that has flooded this board ever since a few members have joined...


Hummm ... so who else is supposedly giving mis-information. Maybe there should be a "watch list".

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Hummm ... so who else is supposedly giving mis-information. Maybe there should be a "watch list".

It isn't too hard to tell, but let's just say that the majority of the misinformation on this site is concentrated in the Passenger car motor oil section, specifically most threads within the past 18 months.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Hummm ... so who else is supposedly giving mis-information. Maybe there should be a "watch list".

It isn't too hard to tell, but let's just say that the majority of the misinformation on this site is concentrated in the Passenger car motor oil section, specifically most threads within the past 18 months.


I guess you really are a Critic.