Just caught neighbor's daughter drinking...
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I tend to agree. You cannot stop an alcoholic from drinking.
Another option would be to have just called the police with the details without placing yourself directly at risk.
As they were on a public street, in a running car, with open alcohol and drinking, regardless of if the car is moving or parked, its care and control plus a few others I'm sure. At least you got the plate so if they didn't get the idiot during his drive home, if he went home, they'd be waiting just outside to say hello. If they didn't get him, contact would be initiated after the fact due to the complaint, that sends a message to and let's you know you've come to their attention. That's the way you end up in the "observation category" as they call it.
You'd be charged here if caught and the police do not ever see that as a waste of their time.
As they were on a public street, in a running car, with open alcohol and drinking, regardless of if the car is moving or parked, its care and control plus a few others I'm sure. At least you got the plate so if they didn't get the idiot during his drive home, if he went home, they'd be waiting just outside to say hello. If they didn't get him, contact would be initiated after the fact due to the complaint, that sends a message to and let's you know you've come to their attention. That's the way you end up in the "observation category" as they call it.
You'd be charged here if caught and the police do not ever see that as a waste of their time.
Any reason why you didn't call her parents? If you didn't have their number you could have called the Police. As mentioned sometimes your actions can have an opposite and negative effect.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
It's a tough call. Although calling the police is the right thing to do, you really stuck your neck out and took the law into your hands. Based on what you have said, you have nothing more than 2 kids drinking in a car on private property. No evidence of impairment. No evidence that the car was leaving other than it was running, probably to stay warm.
But I appreciate your enthusiasm.
But I appreciate your enthusiasm.
I would have said something. But politely. After my dogs made racket for a good while. Something to make it seem like it's NOT a peaceful place. As much as I'm a conservative libertarian - yes public, shared roads.
Or just tie a chain to the rear of the car.
Or just fire two blasts in the air.
Or just tie a chain to the rear of the car.
Or just fire two blasts in the air.
Some people need to hit bottom before they realize that alcohol screws up their lives. What you did was proper.
Ya, I have to agree. Nothing wrong with kids drinking, and trying to stop them is going to push them to do it in more unsafe circumstances. But drinking and driving is one of the cardinal no-no's.
mercy,,,I am glad thats solved, reminded me of those Fram arguments and you know how far that went to make all of us happy.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
What a tool. This is the biggest pile of spew I have ever heard.
I'd say the OP was extremely generous because what the OP should have done was: 1)got the plate, 2) called the cops and let them handle it. Yes, they absolutely would have cared, and around here the driver would have been charged with OMVI because he: 1) was behind the wheel, 2) keys were in the ignition, 3) vehicle was running, and 4) an open container was in the vehicle and 5) upon examination by the officer would have noticed odor on their person. The passenger probably would have at least been hit with open container, as well. Doubtful this was their first of the evening.
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
What a tool. This is the biggest pile of spew I have ever heard.
I'd say the OP was extremely generous because what the OP should have done was: 1)got the plate, 2) called the cops and let them handle it. Yes, they absolutely would have cared, and around here the driver would have been charged with OMVI because he: 1) was behind the wheel, 2) keys were in the ignition, 3) vehicle was running, and 4) an open container was in the vehicle and 5) upon examination by the officer would have noticed odor on their person. The passenger probably would have at least been hit with open container, as well. Doubtful this was their first of the evening.
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
What a tool. This is the biggest pile of spew I have ever heard.
What the OP should have done was got the plate, called the cops and let them handle it. Yes, they absolutely would have cared, and around here he would have been charged with OMVI because he 1) was behind the wheel, 2) keys were in the ignition, 3) vehicle was running, and 4) an open container was in the vehicle and 5) upon examination by the officer would have noticed odor on their person. Doubtful this was their first of the evening.
Thats a bit harsh. Did you never have an underage drink?? Do you recognize that demonizing kids is going to PUSH them into making worse decisions?? It's like teaching abstinence. It doesn't work because it's ridiculous to think kids are actually going to refrain from the most basic of human biological needs. Best you can do is help them make good decisions when they ARE going to do something, rather than give them a criminal record thats going to ruin many upcoming opportunities - possibly creating an even bigger problem for everybody in the long run.
What is it with so many of you thinking you need to call the [censored] police for everything? One of the many reasons there aren't many 'parents' anymore - nobody's even given the opportunity to be a parent by you peoples logic!
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
What a tool. This is the biggest pile of spew I have ever heard.
What the OP should have done was got the plate, called the cops and let them handle it. Yes, they absolutely would have cared, and around here he would have been charged with OMVI because he 1) was behind the wheel, 2) keys were in the ignition, 3) vehicle was running, and 4) an open container was in the vehicle and 5) upon examination by the officer would have noticed odor on their person. Doubtful this was their first of the evening.
Thats a bit harsh. Did you never have an underage drink?? Do you recognize that demonizing kids is going to PUSH them into making worse decisions?? It's like teaching abstinence. It doesn't work because it's ridiculous to think kids are actually going to refrain from the most basic of human biological needs. Best you can do is help them make good decisions when they ARE going to do something, rather than give them a criminal record thats going to ruin many upcoming opportunities - possibly creating an even bigger problem for everybody in the long run.
What is it with so many of you thinking you need to call the [censored] police for everything? One of the many reasons there aren't many 'parents' anymore - nobody's even given the opportunity to be a parent by you peoples logic!
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No, I was smart enough to realize that drinking/driving don't mix.
Would it have been any better if he would have been driving and killed/maimed someone for the rest of their lives?
The OP gave him a large break, hopefully the dolt realizes it and modifies his behavior accordingly.
Would it have been any better if he would have been driving and killed/maimed someone for the rest of their lives?
The OP gave him a large break, hopefully the dolt realizes it and modifies his behavior accordingly.
If she is underage, she can place a heavy financial burden on her parents.
PennDOT regulates Breath Alcohol Ignition Interlocks PA. I do not know if an underage person is eligible in PA to have his or her driving privilege reinstated with a breathalyzer. Cost from $60 to $150 a month.
In home alcohol monitoring costs about the same and the child will have to be home during certain times of the day.
The continuous transdermal alcohol monitor? You know, the Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet. Cost ranges from $300 to $500 a month. And you have to have a landline phone.
Then there's the defense attorney. Start at about $5,000 if you want good representation in court.
The child can easily sink his or her parents into $20,000 worth of debt.
PennDOT regulates Breath Alcohol Ignition Interlocks PA. I do not know if an underage person is eligible in PA to have his or her driving privilege reinstated with a breathalyzer. Cost from $60 to $150 a month.
In home alcohol monitoring costs about the same and the child will have to be home during certain times of the day.
The continuous transdermal alcohol monitor? You know, the Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet. Cost ranges from $300 to $500 a month. And you have to have a landline phone.
Then there's the defense attorney. Start at about $5,000 if you want good representation in court.
The child can easily sink his or her parents into $20,000 worth of debt.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
You must be kidding right.?? I have heard and seen countless men and women knowing there limit, Ah come on give me the keys i"m fine (sluring speech) I'm not drunk stumbling out the door. Give me a break man you contradict your own statement.
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
You must be kidding right.?? I have heard and seen countless men and women knowing there limit, Ah come on give me the keys i"m fine (sluring speech) I'm not drunk stumbling out the door. Give me a break man you contradict your own statement.
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
bubbatime said:
You are a Neighbor from [censored]. I agree a lot with KENo. Why do people feel like they have to call the cops for everything. You know the cops probably thought what a weirdo. Someone drinking with a girl in a car on Christmas, get out all units. Is SWAT available. That on a scale of 1 to 10 as a dangerous criminal event, doesn't even register. Like I never sat in running car with a girl when I was well under the drinking age in the winter months drinking alcohol. In my younger years, I probably would have whooped your butt or definitely planned some nasty revenge on this nosey neighbor for "getting into my business". Being on a public road, not your driveway, makes it even less your business. Legally, he could have shot you. Then when the cops arrived for a "Real Reason". He could have said, I started drinking after I shot this guy, I needed a drink. I was shook up. I have saw drunk drivers use this, they will flee a accident to get home to have a drink, then the blood alcohol doesn't count. Saying everyone that drinks is a drunk driver is everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Thank God, your not my neighbor.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Being on a public road, not your driveway, makes it even less your business. Legally, he could have shot you.
Okay... so kid is illegally drinking in a car on a public road. Thermo says basically "stop breaking the law or I call the cops" and you think the kid would have been within his legal rights to murder Thermo?
Being on a public road, not your driveway, makes it even less your business. Legally, he could have shot you.
Okay... so kid is illegally drinking in a car on a public road. Thermo says basically "stop breaking the law or I call the cops" and you think the kid would have been within his legal rights to murder Thermo?
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
Drinking from an open container sitting in a vehicle on a public street is against the law in most states/jurisdictions, even if you aren't over the limit!
It's not the neighbors daughter that is the issue, it's that someone is sitting in a vehicle getting smashed. The likelihood of them driving off is high, and the stats that she would wreck and kill someone are also high. I think the OP did the community a service. Bravo!
MILLIONS of people share a drink with their friends / family, especially around the holidays, and then drive. It is up to each person to know their limit and if they are over the limit or not.
I don't condone drinking and driving (my dad was almost killed by drunk driver and I absolutely hate alcoholics/drunks), but what the op did was Bull S of the highest order.
Drinking from an open container sitting in a vehicle on a public street is against the law in most states/jurisdictions, even if you aren't over the limit!
It's not the neighbors daughter that is the issue, it's that someone is sitting in a vehicle getting smashed. The likelihood of them driving off is high, and the stats that she would wreck and kill someone are also high. I think the OP did the community a service. Bravo!
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