Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: bigdreama
Ride what you like.
All bikes are compromised from an engineering standpoint. I like BMW's with all of their well documented flaws and my wife likes Harleys which is why an Electra Glide resides in our garage.
Why can't we just ride what we like and accept what others ride without criticism?
This thread is no different than any of the others when you have people who like metric rides and those who like Harleys. They don't start out with the intention of belittling anyone's choice of motorcycles, but they always end up that way. The problem is, people take ANY criticism of their chosen brand as a personal attack, when most of the time the criticisms are just stated facts. I don't know why people take these things personally. Did we design and build the bikes we ride? No, we are simply consumers, so why take the criticism personally? Every man-made product has flaws, and motorcycles are no exception to that rule. I ride a Triumph. Is it perfect? Of course not, and if someone points out its flaws, I'm not going to pitch a hissy fit about it, nor am I going to take it personally. Why should I? I didn't design or build the bike. It is what it is, but unfortunately, some people just simply cannot accept the bike they chose to buy has any flaws, and if you point them out, you're labeled as a bad person, or a "basher" for doing so...
Your problem Grampi is you have no idea what you are talking about. You have never owned a late model Harley, you have no interest in owning a Harley, yet you profess to be an expert on Harleys.
Your the FIRST and FOREMOST BASHER in these forums of, you guessed it, Harleys.
Yet, you have no idea what you are talking about, you didnt even know you could buy a Road King or Touring Harley for less then 30 to $35,000 dollars, It took me PAGES in this forum to prove you wrong.
THen you go to, OF ALL PLACES, YOU TUBE and present Harley youtube video issues as facts! MY GOD, how unscientific! Going to youtube for people who made videos of problem with their bikes, out of HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of motorcycles, you find the ones with problems which ALL brands have. Ha!
Hey, Grampi, why dont you publish the links of ALL bikes on youtube with issues, every single maker of every automobile and motorcycle has youtube videos of the issues. But you only chose Harley. Not the other half dozen brands we speak of in here. You profess yourself to be the official word on Harley and claim what you present are facts. Ha!
Yet, when a REAL INDEPENDANT TRUE, factual study by and independent PROFESSIONAL survey group is done, you CHOSE to IGNORE IT.
Why is that? WHY DO YOU NOT PUBLISH the facts of a Consumer Report survey done about 2 years ago (tops) on motorcycle cycles? Why? I ll tell you why, because BMW was number ONE and HARLEY WAS NUMBER TWO when asked if they would buy another of the same brand. THe Japanese metrics were at the bottom of the list, with Yamaha in last place or second to last.
Where it came to service calls, BMW and Harley has the most, Yamaha the least, but Consumer Reports stated the repairs were NOT major repairs involving drivetrain trans etc, that would make sense with all the options on some of these bikes, electrical etc... more options will have more issues.
SO what happens when Grampi finds out these FACTS, he posts youtube videos, completely ignoring and not commenting on the fact that buyers of BMW and Harleys were most likely to buy another and the metric brands at the BOTTOM of the list when asked if they would buy the same brands again.
Whats Grampi's response, another one if his scientific statements, Harley riders are brainwashed.
Here are some more facts, dealing with some recent posts of the last 2 pages and why I bought my Road King for 20k NOT the 30 to 35 you were stating.
1. FIT< FINISH< QUALITY OF PARTS< PAINTS AN,METALS AND PLASTICS are far superior, bar none.
2. ABS BRAKES ROCK SOLID BRAKING AND HANDLING is simply amazing.
3. SIX SPEED TRANSMISSION
4. NO VALVE ADJUSTMENT on my Harley, most metrics need an adjustment as part of the 600 mile check, then additional checks at anywhere from every 4000 miles to 16000 miles. I did my own on my metrics, they are a pain in the [censored] to do. No need for my Harley, that saves a few hundred right there every time.
5. Tires that last for 14,000 miles give or take 2,000. My metrics ALWAYS needed a new rear tire every 6 to 8000 miles.
6 THe Rushmore Road King Rock, rock solid handling, cruise all day long on the interstate without the bike sounding like a bucket of bolts, silky smooth and quiet.
I owned a Suzuki c50 and Yamaha 1300 tourer. Both great bikes, but the Road King is the king over those bikes, not even close and YES, it should be, you pay for it, but you GET IT.
7. Standard cruise control
8. Engine doesnt share oil with the transmission and primary.
Sadly you will never be able to make a knowledgeable comment on Harley, because you do NOT OWN ONE. SO THEREFOR YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHY AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY LIKE CONSUMERS REPORTS STATES BMW AND HARLEY AS THE TOP OF OWNER SATISFACTION.
Instead you will pour though the internet trying to find the unhappy people out of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BIKE OWNERS, then post it on the internet and paint all the bikes as having issues as fact, when I can do the very same thing on any brands.
9. You will go and trash air cooling on Harleys but ignore the FACT that many metrics and Polaris/Indian/Victory do the same. Heck the new Harley touring bikes have oil coolers and some water cooled. ALL YAMAHAs large cruisers are air cooled, even though they are just about completely fully pulled out of the market now, unable to compete.
You are correct. I've never owned a Harley, but I can read. I will issue the same challenge to you as I did to dr2152...prove that anything I've said isn't true. But you aren't going to just like dr2152 hasn't because everything I've posted is absolutely true.
