Is there really non-detergent oil?

[Chris142]

I been thinking. Wouldn't it be more expensive to produce? They would have to change alot of the things in the assembly line to make it.

Wouldn't it be more price conservative if the companies like Raylube and Accel just bought regular detergent oil from a major supplier such as Warren or Shell?

If they say that it meets say the SB catagory then they wouldn't have to spend the extra $$$ to get the donut seal approval although it is really a SL or SM oil.

Just thinking anyway. Has anybody done a VOA on a bottle of oil that says "Non-detergent"?

Maybe it's better than we think?

 

[pitzel]

Basically they just change the label and stop mixing in the more expensive additives.

Nondetergent is dirt cheap to produce.

The real irony is that many people, especially the less educated, believe the stuff is better than modern engine oil formulations.

 

[Chris142]

HMMMMMMMMMm. I'm tempted to buy a qt and get it tested

Chris <-------Oil geek

 

[Eddie]

Still used in air compressors

 

[ericgl]

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Originally posted by Eddie:
Still used in air compressors

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Used in lots of things, hydraulics, turbines, gear boxes. Few industrial applications require detergent-dispersant.

 

[MGBV8]

http://www.asaaz.org/LateNews/SA_vs_SL_comparison.pdf


Perhaps a reason for short OCIs

 

[brianl703]

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Originally posted by pitzel:
The real irony is that many people, especially the less educated, believe the stuff is better than modern engine oil formulations.

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It never gets dirty, it *must* be a better oil than that other stuff!

I was told that some used car dealers put non-detergent oil in their cars so that it always looks clean when the prospective customer checks it.

 

[wavinwayne]

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Originally posted by brianl703:
I was told that some used car dealers put non-detergent oil in their cars so that it always looks clean when the prospective customer checks it.

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Now THAT I would not doubt for a second. I have never & will never, never, not ever trust a used car sales person....NEVER!

 

[MolaKule]

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Has anybody done a VOA on a bottle of oil that says "Non-detergent"?

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Yes, I have. Do a search on Non-detergent or "ND."

Some ND's have SL levels of ZDDP's with very low levels of calcium, Mg, etc, and some I have tested had HDEO levels of AW additives but no detergents.

 

[outrun]

A) Yes

While I am at those ignarum bas-**** that think ND is better than modern formulations must have brain transplants.

They should also be criminally charged for engine abuse.

 

[Jimbo]

Piston engine aviation oils for break-in are pretty much straight mineral oil almost without additives. These oils are specified for the first 25 hours of service with chromed cylinder bores. BTW, they retail for about $4 a quart.

Even after break-in, only "ashless" oils are approved. That means no ZDDP, nothing to raise TBN, etc.

For cars, true racing oils, like some Redline products are also non-detergent. This is probably also to keep them ashless, so that loose clearance engines that consume a lot of oil wont foul spark plugs with metallic ash deposits.