Is Supertech good enough for my needs?

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by talest
Let's recap. The OP is switching from Castrol Edge to ST. Who knows if that will be better for him. ka9mnx is trying the synthetic ST after a lifetime of Mobil1 and has to then decide if it is better. All of the oils are not the same, they will be a little bit different. But which one is better? And why are they different?

Nah, let's recap this way. You said that a lot of oils are better than Mobil 1 and it was all in the chemical composition. What are the specifics of that statement or do you wish to retract it because you have no idea?

 

[talest]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by talest
Let's recap. The OP is switching from Castrol Edge to ST. Who knows if that will be better for him. ka9mnx is trying the synthetic ST after a lifetime of Mobil1 and has to then decide if it is better. All of the oils are not the same, they will be a little bit different. But which one is better? And why are they different?

Nah, let's recap this way. You said that a lot of oils are better than Mobil 1 and it was all in the chemical composition. What are the specifics of that statement or do you wish to retract it because you have no idea?


Oh, I get a choice! I will choose the latter, I defer to your knowledge of chemical compositions of oil. oil_film_movies says Mobil1 Annual Protection has almost all PAO base oil. We would have to go through many oils to talk about their base stocks and additive packages, which constituted what I called chemical composition if that was not accurate, to talk about better.

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Youll be fine with a reasonable interval.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by talest
Oh, I get a choice! I will choose the latter, I defer to your knowledge of chemical compositions of oil. oil_film_movies says Mobil1 Annual Protection has almost all PAO base oil. We would have to go through many oils to talk about their base stocks and additive packages, which constituted what I called chemical composition if that was not accurate, to talk about better.

OK, so Supertech isn't better than Mobil 1 AP because of the base stock. Other M1 varieties also have at least partial PAO base stock though, right? And Supertech doesn't have any PAO, does it? So any Mobil 1 with any PAO should be better than Supertech, if that is your criteria.

 

[oil_film_movies]

A lot of oil selection is a judgement call, and it depends on if you're trying to find the best, or are happy with something that meets the engine's specs.

Go by:
1. company reputation (patents, history)
2. specs it meets
3. MSDS reveals of expensive components, like PAO, POE, or GTL GroupIII+

Taken together. All 3 things considered. SuperTech is basically good and meets dexos1 Gen2, yet is likely not as good as M1 EP or AP, or Castrol Edge gold jug.
Specs can be taken higher if you look a VW 508 in a 0w20. Lubrizol says it could be the toughest spec to meet.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html
https://www.aftonchemical.com/Afton/media/PdfFiles/Afton-Chemical-Spec-Handbook-September-2019.pdf

 

[talest]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by talest
Oh, I get a choice! I will choose the latter, I defer to your knowledge of chemical compositions of oil. oil_film_movies says Mobil1 Annual Protection has almost all PAO base oil. We would have to go through many oils to talk about their base stocks and additive packages, which constituted what I called chemical composition if that was not accurate, to talk about better.

OK, so Supertech isn't better than Mobil 1 AP because of the base stock. Other M1 varieties also have at least partial PAO base stock though, right? And Supertech doesn't have any PAO, does it? So any Mobil 1 with any PAO should be better than Supertech, if that is your criteria.


If that is your criterion then you could make that case, yes. I would only add this, While you certainly have good logic there on what the oils say on a data sheet as to what comprises all that is in the oil, which again is what I was calling a chemical composition and will abandon and defer to you etc etc, I would only add that the unofficial feel of the oil in one's engine would be the final say in what ends up becoming truly better, on a case by case basis. This of course would be outside of the scope of either tests or percentage of PAO or things of that nature, about what the oil is made of. Every user would get to decide which oil they prefer, and for them which oil is better, as an ultimate experience and how it makes their car feel.

Shorter, many people say their engine feels smooth or smoother on Brand Y oil versus the previous Brand X oil when applied in their vehicle, of course we can likely assume one would put the oil that meets the specs of what they need in their vehicle. Perhaps being unscientific but then again, there it is. And again there is no way to know this.

to oil_film_movies post I would add only 4. How it feels in the car.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by talest
If that is your criterion then you could make that case, yes. I would only add this, While you certainly have good logic there on what the oils say on a data sheet as to what comprises all that is in the oil, which again is what I was calling a chemical composition and will abandon and defer to you etc etc, I would only add that the unofficial feel of the oil in one's engine would be the final say in what ends up becoming truly better, on a case by case basis. This of course would be outside of the scope of either tests or percentage of PAO or things of that nature, about what the oil is made of. Every user would get to decide which oil they prefer, and for them which oil is better, as an ultimate experience and how it makes their car feel.

Shorter, many people say their engine feels smooth or smoother on Brand Y oil versus the previous Brand X oil when applied in their vehicle, of course we can likely assume one would put the oil that meets the specs of what they need in their vehicle. Perhaps being unscientific but then again, there it is. And again there is no way to know this.

to oil_film_movies post I would add only 4. How it feels in the car.

Oh no, that isn't my criteria at all, I thought that was yours. I was only going by what you mentioned that oil_film_movies said. But I see now that it isn't yours either, your criteria is based on how the car feels (unofficial feel to be exact). I'm not sure if I agree that "feel" is enough to tell me that many oils are better than Mobil 1, but if you say so I'll defer to you etc. etc. I'd rather find out what that chemical composition thing was about instead.

I guess I'm not good enough at the whole unofficial feel thing to tell if Supertech 5W-30 would be a better oil for my BMW and Sienna than Castrol 0W-40. Maybe I shouid find out how they feel about it?

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted by A_A_G
Vehicle uses 0w-20 and it will now be used on a daily basis for several hours (possibly 6-8) of driving and idling.

I'm currently using Castrol Edge, but I wouldn't mind spending less if ST will do the same job.



I would go with NAPA synthetic. Its $18.99 for 5 QT on sale. Was on sale in April. Every few months. I use it in both Subaru vehicles.

 

[4WD]

Do we still think that's Valvoline …?

 

[JMJNet]

This is a funny thread.

The OP just want to see you all argue about nothing.

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted by andyd
the main difference between Mobil 1 and Supertech is the advertising budget .


Not just the advertising budget, but the research budget, the budget to pay some of the smartest chemists in the business, the budget to make their own base oils, the list goes on. Do you really think Supertech can compete with Mobil 1 in terms of having the latest technology and meeting a ton of manufacturer's very difficult specifications (like a couple of the Porsche specs for instance)?

Is Supertech good enough to make most people's engines last to 150k? Probably. Is Supertech the right oil to be running in a new Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Corvette, Aston Martin, McLaren, Bentley, etc. etc? Not a chance.

 

[talest]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by talest
If that is your criterion then you could make that case, yes. I would only add this, While you certainly have good logic there on what the oils say on a data sheet as to what comprises all that is in the oil, which again is what I was calling a chemical composition and will abandon and defer to you etc etc, I would only add that the unofficial feel of the oil in one's engine would be the final say in what ends up becoming truly better, on a case by case basis. This of course would be outside of the scope of either tests or percentage of PAO or things of that nature, about what the oil is made of. Every user would get to decide which oil they prefer, and for them which oil is better, as an ultimate experience and how it makes their car feel.

Shorter, many people say their engine feels smooth or smoother on Brand Y oil versus the previous Brand X oil when applied in their vehicle, of course we can likely assume one would put the oil that meets the specs of what they need in their vehicle. Perhaps being unscientific but then again, there it is. And again there is no way to know this.

to oil_film_movies post I would add only 4. How it feels in the car.

Oh no, that isn't my criteria at all, I thought that was yours. I was only going by what you mentioned that oil_film_movies said. But I see now that it isn't yours either, your criteria is based on how the car feels (unofficial feel to be exact). I'm not sure if I agree that "feel" is enough to tell me that many oils are better than Mobil 1, but if you say so I'll defer to you etc. etc. I'd rather find out what that chemical composition thing was about instead.

I guess I'm not good enough at the whole unofficial feel thing to tell if Supertech 5W-30 would be a better oil for my BMW and Sienna than Castrol 0W-40. Maybe I shouid find out how they feel about it?


The best I could reply to you would be, Try it out in your Sienna if you were inclined to do so, and you would know for certain. Your BMW maybe there is the lifter tick and maybe there is not. I assume you use Castrol in the BMW you have because Castrol makes the oil for BMW brand oil https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675411 . In that case, you may have the M60B30 V-8 and may have researched out that as the best oil. Some BMW enthusiasts even run Mobil1 High Mileage 5W-30 in it. Some prefer a 30-grade and some prefer a 40-grade, quick example https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1236644-m60b30-oil-type-viscosity if LL-98 being needed on your engine. You are absolutely free to make your own determination if an oil is worth using or worth changing for another, If you are satisfied with any one particular oil then that is fine, no issues.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...r-tick-in-m60b30-gc-to-blame#Post2535338
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To be honest my butt dyno couldn't tell the difference between the Castrol 0w30, Rotella 5w40 and M1 0w40. O'Reilly just ran the M1 on sale so I gave it a try but I'm not turning the miles right now to justify the cost. Unless there's a sale on somewhere when this change is up I'll probably go back to the Rotella because of the cost difference. The M60 doesn't seem to be nearly as picky about oil as other engines I've run. As long as you give it a sturdy oil like the three I've mentioned it will be fine.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by andyd
the main difference between Mobil 1 and Supertech is the advertising budget .


Not just the advertising budget, but the research budget, the budget to pay some of the smartest chemists in the business, the budget to make their own base oils, the list goes on. Do you really think Supertech can compete with Mobil 1 in terms of having the latest technology and meeting a ton of manufacturer's very difficult specifications (like a couple of the Porsche specs for instance)?

Is Supertech good enough to make most people's engines last to 150k? Probably. Is Supertech the right oil to be running in a new Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Corvette, Aston Martin, McLaren, Bentley, etc. etc? Not a chance.



Your funny because you named list of OEM's SuperTech does not blend to the recommended grade.

 

[TheLawnRanger]

I would say Mobil 1 is among the best. It may be the best in some engines and not in others. I am currently using Mobil's lower tier super synthetic in my vehicles and they seem to be running slightly smoother than when I was using Magnatec, which I also like. I'll use Magnatec again if I can find a deal. I haven't had that many vehicles and none with the exact type of engine, but I think you just have to try different oils and see how they work. Probably the "worst" oil for will be good enough for your needs as long as it has the reccomended certifications. It just may not be your preference.

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by andyd
the main difference between Mobil 1 and Supertech is the advertising budget .


Not just the advertising budget, but the research budget, the budget to pay some of the smartest chemists in the business, the budget to make their own base oils, the list goes on. Do you really think Supertech can compete with Mobil 1 in terms of having the latest technology and meeting a ton of manufacturer's very difficult specifications (like a couple of the Porsche specs for instance)?

Is Supertech good enough to make most people's engines last to 150k? Probably. Is Supertech the right oil to be running in a new Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Corvette, Aston Martin, McLaren, Bentley, etc. etc? Not a chance.



Your funny because you named list of OEM's SuperTech does not blend to the recommended grade.


And I still explained how Mobil 1 is much more than just advertising. They cater to many different manufacturers specs, not just a handful. You can't even put the two in the same league.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by Patman
And I still explained how Mobil 1 is much more than just advertising. They cater to many different manufacturers specs, not just a handful. You can't even put the two in the same league.
I tend to go for the big-name stuff (Pennzoil, Castrol, Mobil1) for all the reasons you cited. However, SuperTech, as a blender, just buys an additive package from Lubrizol, who are very competent. Base oils are a commodity to some extent, especially the basic GroupIII cheaper full-syn base oil they use to keep their costs down.

I think they use Lubrizol anyway. They could walk up to Afton or Oronite and get the same spec'ed approved DI (detergent-inhibitor) packages, different formulations yet same specs anyway.

My point is that SuperTech (Warren) is not as much the issue as where they source their materials from, being a blender only. So is Lubrizol better than Mobil-Infineum? I'd say yes, likely. I don't know.
Mobil does use expensive PAO, when they could meet the specs with cheaper GroupIII, which says Mobil is going for "better".. Otherwise Mobil would save money and just use GroupIII.

 

[BLND1]

Yeesh. All those words and not one answer.

Originally Posted by talest


Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by talest
If that is your criterion then you could make that case, yes. I would only add this, While you certainly have good logic there on what the oils say on a data sheet as to what comprises all that is in the oil, which again is what I was calling a chemical composition and will abandon and defer to you etc etc, I would only add that the unofficial feel of the oil in one's engine would be the final say in what ends up becoming truly better, on a case by case basis. This of course would be outside of the scope of either tests or percentage of PAO or things of that nature, about what the oil is made of. Every user would get to decide which oil they prefer, and for them which oil is better, as an ultimate experience and how it makes their car feel.

Shorter, many people say their engine feels smooth or smoother on Brand Y oil versus the previous Brand X oil when applied in their vehicle, of course we can likely assume one would put the oil that meets the specs of what they need in their vehicle. Perhaps being unscientific but then again, there it is. And again there is no way to know this.

to oil_film_movies post I would add only 4. How it feels in the car.

Oh no, that isn't my criteria at all, I thought that was yours. I was only going by what you mentioned that oil_film_movies said. But I see now that it isn't yours either, your criteria is based on how the car feels (unofficial feel to be exact). I'm not sure if I agree that "feel" is enough to tell me that many oils are better than Mobil 1, but if you say so I'll defer to you etc. etc. I'd rather find out what that chemical composition thing was about instead.

I guess I'm not good enough at the whole unofficial feel thing to tell if Supertech 5W-30 would be a better oil for my BMW and Sienna than Castrol 0W-40. Maybe I shouid find out how they feel about it?


The best I could reply to you would be, Try it out in your Sienna if you were inclined to do so, and you would know for certain. Your BMW maybe there is the lifter tick and maybe there is not. I assume you use Castrol in the BMW you have because Castrol makes the oil for BMW brand oil https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675411 . In that case, you may have the M60B30 V-8 and may have researched out that as the best oil. Some BMW enthusiasts even run Mobil1 High Mileage 5W-30 in it. Some prefer a 30-grade and some prefer a 40-grade, quick example https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1236644-m60b30-oil-type-viscosity if LL-98 being needed on your engine. You are absolutely free to make your own determination if an oil is worth using or worth changing for another, If you are satisfied with any one particular oil then that is fine, no issues.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...r-tick-in-m60b30-gc-to-blame#Post2535338
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To be honest my butt dyno couldn't tell the difference between the Castrol 0w30, Rotella 5w40 and M1 0w40. O'Reilly just ran the M1 on sale so I gave it a try but I'm not turning the miles right now to justify the cost. Unless there's a sale on somewhere when this change is up I'll probably go back to the Rotella because of the cost difference. The M60 doesn't seem to be nearly as picky about oil as other engines I've run. As long as you give it a sturdy oil like the three I've mentioned it will be fine.

 

[benjy]

most oils sold are from blenders that buy base oils + add packs of their choice from the few that actually refine + make oils. for the money super-tech is likely the best value without resorting to rebates or chasing deals out of your area! get a suitable viscosity for your vehicle + the conditions aka temperature variations + you will be good. most all oils today are much better than ever except the 3 in ones aka xxw20's IMO

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by benjy
most oils sold are from blenders that buy base oils + add packs of their choice from the few that actually refine + make oils. for the money super-tech is likely the best value without resorting to rebates or chasing deals out of your area! get a suitable viscosity for your vehicle + the conditions aka temperature variations + you will be good. most all oils today are much better than ever except the 3 in ones aka xxw20's IMO




Typical gibberish answer.

 

[Gebo]

Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by andyd
the main difference between Mobil 1 and Supertech is the advertising budget .


Not just the advertising budget, but the research budget, the budget to pay some of the smartest chemists in the business, the budget to make their own base oils, the list goes on. Do you really think Supertech can compete with Mobil 1 in terms of having the latest technology and meeting a ton of manufacturer's very difficult specifications (like a couple of the Porsche specs for instance)?

Is Supertech good enough to make most people's engines last to 150k? Probably. Is Supertech the right oil to be running in a new Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Corvette, Aston Martin, McLaren, Bentley, etc. etc? Not a chance.



Your funny because you named list of OEM's SuperTech does not blend to the recommended grade.


And I still explained how Mobil 1 is much more than just advertising. They cater to many different manufacturers specs, not just a handful. You can't even put the two in the same league.


+1 Agreed.

Remember, "It's just as good as a Xerox"...Telling my age....

Sorta like, "Why don't you switch to cell carrier XYZ. They use the exact same towers as Verizon? They use the Verizon network. And they only cost 1/2 of Verizon." Hmm...

 

[Fifty150]

Originally Posted by Patman
And I still explained how Mobil 1 is much more than just advertising. They cater to many different manufacturers specs, not just a handful. You can't even put the two in the same league.


I'll say it. More expensive motor oil has specific additive packages, which make them "better" than lower price point oil. But better for who? Patman will benefit with the oil in his Corvette. Most people simply don't benefit, because they do not have high performance engines, and their cars are not in severe driving conditions.

So sure.....let's say that all oil is oil. That's where it starts. Then you get synthetic oil which goes through an extra refining process. Now all synthetic oil is synthetic oil. Then the bottlers have their own proprietary additive packages - and it's no longer all the same. Only you, can research what the different brands add to their formulation, and decide if that is what you need in your engine.

Who am I to criticize somebody spending the big bucks on fancy oil for their Hyundai Kia Soul? How many Honda Civics do you see with K&N stickers?