I'd love to know how RedLine isn't better, and in what way, than Mobil1 FS 0w-40 or 5w-40.
Due to the car mainly being driven "hard" when it will be driven on weekends and on the track, I think 5w30 Redline seems like a good choice. It is ester based, good HTHS score, good NOACK score, also API SN certified which I believe meets Ford oil spec for my 2017 5.0. In addition, from my understanding, the 5w30 redline is closer to a 5w35 or 5w40" because of how "thick" it is, I think it might be a good choice for a dual purpose weekend/track car.
I'd like to touch on these two statements/topics. Red Line reformulated their entire High Performance lineup and has been manufacturing and distributing the reformulated motor oils for about six months now. Yet Red Line refuses to update their website with typical properties for the reformulated motor oils. They also did not update their PDS documents, some of them being five years or older. Since I use Red Line 5W-30 and 0W-20. I asked Red Line about the specifications and performance of the reformulated motor oils. I was told that Red Line will update their website, and I kid you not, once the reformulated motor oils will have "reasonable market penetration" and that the wear performance is similar to the old motor oil while TBN retention is worse. Here on BITOG most of us know that TBN retention with Red Line wasn't great to begin with, so how can it get worse? I posted about this exchange in this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...0-and-0w-30-api-sp-elemental-analysis.362576/
The fact that the OP (
@mr2raw) can read the typical properties from Red Line's website doesn't mean much, as he might end up with a different product in the crankcase. Also, the fact that Red Line, by its own admission, claims that it put out a worse product than the previous one, and then drags their feet to update the website in an attempt to mislead consumers, for the lack of a better word, seems sleezy to me.
I also inquired about why my 2017 Santa Fe 3.3L GDI engine guzzled up nearly a quart of Red Line in 6800 miles, but Red Line did not want to respond to that one. This engine had Mobil 1 EP 5W-30, Mobil 1 FS 0W-40, QS Euro 5W-40, M1 FS 5W-40, and once a dealer-bulk fill of el-cheapo Shell 5W-30 in it, and never burned any oil.
But wait, there is more: I use Red Line 0W-20 in my 2022 Dodge Durango. The factory fill showed 30 PSI at idle. Red Line 0W-20 shows 27~28 PSI. Not a big deal. Well, we also have a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee that I switched to HPL PCMO Premium Plus 0W-20, and that one still shows 30 PSI. Both vehicles have the same Pentastar V6 engine. I made that switch here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ted-ups-just-dropped-off-the-packages.355350/
I didn't think much about the lower oil pressure in the Durango. Then, not too long ago, I stumbled on a Red Line 0W-20 VOA on oil-club.ru of all places. Long and behold, the cSt @ 100C was 7.03. Yes, 7.03!!! The cSt @ 40C is 36.53. It doesn't even come close to what Red Line advertises on their website. The RL 0W-20 VOA is from January 27, 2022. If you guys want I can post it, however, it's in Russian. As it stands I will have to change the oil early in the Durango and send it in for analysis. We'll see what the UOA says.
Everyone is free to purchase and use whatever lubricant they want. As far as I'm concerned, and for the reasons I outlined above, I will no longer purchase and use Red Line lubricants. I don't expect a blender to open up to me about their secrets and everything that goes into their oils. I respect trade secrets. I do, however, have a reasonable expectation that I'm provided with somewhat accurate typical properties of the products that I'm buying. After all, I'm spending my hard earned money, and I'd like to know what I'm getting in return.