Originally Posted By: FoxS
Originally Posted By: V8man
ARX - why it IS the miracle fluid!
dnewton3
Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 4414
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
I just completed my second ARX application/rinse. I don't know that there are enough superlatives I can find to express how pleased I am with the performance of ARX.
For those who don't know my story, read the whole thing here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1128803&fpart=1
But if you want a synopsis, I'll provide this:
1997 Taurus 3.0 Vulcan; heavily coked piston rings. Very poor compression. There were two treatments of ARX application/rinse. First was an "experiment" with Frank and Gary; second was a "traditional" treatment. The initial test was 2x the dose for 1k miles, followed by a 2k mile rinse. The second application was at 90k miles with 2.5k miles application and 2.5k miles rinse.
The final result?????
ALL CYLINDERS ARE NOW AT FULL COMPRESSION! The last lagging cylinder (#5) is now up over 180psi in yesterday's compression test, along with all the rest. The following is a recap of the compression in psi, with each reading taken at the beginning of the event.
event.....2app..rns...1app..rns.....final check
milage....87k...88k...90K...92.5k...95k
cyl 1:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 2:.....170...180...180...180.....180
cyl 3:.....165...180...180...180.....180
cyl 4:.....120...180...180...180.....180
cyl 5:.....110...150...160...170.....180
cyl 6:.....180...180...180...180.....180
Lets take a look at these compression numbers with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx, followed by the numbers with auto-rx and conventional oil. At 85K Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 was put in this engine, at 87K compression numbers were taken and auto-rx was added in the oil.
At 88K compression numbers were taken again, cylinder #4 went from 120 to 180, so that cylinder is fine. We now have cylinder #5 going from 110 to 150, the problem is that we do not have compression numbers when this engine had 85K. This engine had a mishap at 50K when a freeze plug bursted, right near cylinders 4 and 5. What is interesting is that there were no problems from 50K onward, meaning there was no sign that there was a compression problem, the engine ran fine.
At 90K cylinder #5 went from 150 to 160, and at 92.5K cylider #5 was at 170, and at 95K cylider #5 was at 180, so how much credit do we give auto-rx and how much credit do we give Pennzoil Platinum.
When I look at these numbers I can say that auto-rx increased this engines compression in increments of 10. Cylinder #5 had the biggest increase with Pennzoil Platinum and auto-rx in the engine, it went up by 40 psi, so I give Pennzoil Platinum credit for 30 psi and auto-rx 10 psi. Why am I giving auto-rx only 10 psi, because after the Pennzoil Platinum was out of the engine it only saw a 10 psi increase with conventional oil and auto-rx, or just conventional oil alone for the so called rinse.
When I step out of the box, and really look hard at these numbers I come up with some conclusions, Pennzoil Platinum by itself would easily bring this engines compression numbers back up. I also see here that when you add auto-rx with Pennzoil Platinum you have PP doing 80% of the cleaning and auto-rx doing 20% of the cleaning. You cannot get away from the fact that PP did some cleaning, some members keep throwing this test out that auto-rx works, but this test proves that auto-rx works a little bit, and it proves that Pennzoil Platinum really works. If PP did not do any cleaning then cylinder #5 with PP and auto-rx should only have gone up by 10 psi.
This test also proves that Pennzoil Platinum is a cheaper and faster alternative than using auto-rx in cleaning up Ring Packs.
WHOA!!!!!!!
V8man - you've formatted this quote and your comments on it INCORRECTLY and have caused a lot of confusion!!!!!
The top half of this post is dnewtons, the bottom half interpreting the results is V8mans.
And I think that interpretation is flawed.
Compression after 2k of PP was 110psi and 120psi. If in the next 1k you feel that PP was responsible for 30psi increase, then in the 2k when PP was on its own, it had already resulted in 60psi increase which means the compression before PP was 50psi / 60psi.
Dnewton stated that he noticed fuel economy improvements and I think power improvements going from 110psi / 120psi to full / almost full compression.
So he would have noticed the same during that 2k with PP only.
You interpreted his data the way you wanted to believe it.
On top of that the way you quoted him and added your comments has confused everyone!
TWO SERIOUS MISTAKES! [/quote]
I left out the part in his post where he was giving auto-rx credit. In his opinion auto-rx deserves all of the credit in increasing his compression, I am just showing that Pennzoil Platinum really deserves the credit. I stated earlier in this thread that Pennzoil Platinum can increase compression and I was called out by Trajan and sprintman made a comment, so I responded. dnewton3's 2 threads have been around for about 6 years and Trajan seems to like this test and sprintman is talking about increasing compression. I think this Pennzoil Platinum goes with the title in this thread, Is it time to just say no? As far as using auto-rx in cleaning up ring packs or increasing compression, then we can say no for auto-rx and YES for Pennzoil Platinum.
Unlike most here who just read a thread once, when I look at a thread I will look over it many times and then draw my conclusions. There is no proof that auto-rx increases fuel economy, no oil additive can do that.
