Is BITOG an endangered species?
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has this planet enough litium, co cover every demand? im pesimist.
what we need is cheap h2 production & storage -> game over tesla.
Which is thermodynamically difficult to say the least considering there are no free sources. What favorable pathway are you using to get this hydrogen?
But of course that’s only half the problem. The other half is the abysmal energy density and the issues with storage and distribution.
back then all we had was nife, nimh, pb batteries. bulky stuff.
see today...
i´m afraid there´s not enough li for everybody. even less so if long range ev should come to market en masse.
right now everybody is covering eyes (child labor,etc), when we need loads of li.
see today...
i´m afraid there´s not enough li for everybody. even less so if long range ev should come to market en masse.
right now everybody is covering eyes (child labor,etc), when we need loads of li.
Jeff - I want a Tesla.
Problem is, that would bring me up to 9 cars. And right now, there isn’t a Tesla (or any other EV) that could adequately replace any of my cars. Nine seems a bit much.
Closest to the S600 is the Model S, the one with the big battery and dual motors.
But not only do I lose the sound of the V-12 but I lose the range.
Example: last week, I drove back from college graduation in Connecticut via Maryland (to drop off my mom) - a 500+ Mile trip. No range worries.
If I can’t replace one of my cars with an EV - they make no sense for me.
Even at $10 a gallon for fuel against FREE electricity the payback is a large number of years. The payback is not there.
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I think many are underestimating the many gear oils, coolants, and greases that are being developed for EV and Hybrid vehicles.
So, no I do not think BITOG will go away as we will most likely be discussing which non-OEM lubricants, or coolants, or greases that can be used.
Also, I think the demise of the ICE is premature as people will finally get educated as to the affect that EV's will have on the overall power grid, a power grid that is not yet ready to accommodate a large percentage of EV's.
In addition, EV's are not ready for prime time as well, so I think gasoline and diesel fueled vehicles will be around for some time.
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@Astro14 you are just being logical again... Ha!
EV technology isn't mature yet. Also, Teslas do have oil filters and do need oil changes, albeit not 3000 miles 
There will always be somebody that will insist on doing that oil change every 3k
There will always be somebody that will insist on doing that oil change every 3k
You have to remember filling an EV with hydrogen at any local gas station will be light years faster then swapping out a battery in a Tesla or charging the batteries in a battery only EV.
I remember going through the same thing when Quartz watches started dominating the market. Some companies were in a panic and stopped making mechanicals but it didn't take long that mechanical/automatics were still in high demand and if makers wanted to stay in business they had to cater to that market also.
This EV craze is an agenda and politically driven market, I predict that makers will continue to make ICE cars once the shortcomings of the grid and abilty to charge them start putting a dent in their sales and sanity returns to politics.
This EV craze is an agenda and politically driven market, I predict that makers will continue to make ICE cars once the shortcomings of the grid and abilty to charge them start putting a dent in their sales and sanity returns to politics.
Oh yeah! We have more choices available with fossil fuels. But with electricity not so much. Most areas have one provider and we’ll be at their mercy…. But I’m sure they’ll have collective public’s best interest at heart. Enron and the California energy crisis, anyone?
Of course-Honda and GM are partnering and saying $30,000.00 is their price point. So it's a big "Well see"".
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you, but there is a concerted and deliberate effort to drive fuel prices through the ceiling and 100 feet above the house. As I stated in Post #1.... Fuel prices will drag many drivers, kicking and screaming to the EV Dealership. Sure, 244 million vehicles that burn gas and diesel seem to have a couple decades of stability, but when it starts to cost you $250 to fill your tank.... you will quit driving that combustion engine.
Remember Clunkers to Cash???? I bet you a crisp $100 bill that Combustion to EV is the next program. Turn in your beater for a $20k credit on an EV. I bet at least 90% of the population will take the Govt up on that one.
As for the need for a much, much more robust grid.... Look for vehicle hoods, roofs and back-end to be completely solar cells. Or as others have suggested.... Maybe the future with the most possibility is Hydrogen.
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people need to adjust to market trends, time to learn something new, like dielectric cooling fluids.
but bearing grease & gear oil ain´t going anywhere soon.
Maybe our fossil fuel discussion will be focused around the plastics that all these EV's are made of.
Elon's EV's have a butt load of plastics that come from a barrel of West Texas Intermediate Crude Oil.
Man those environmentalists aren't going to be happy when they realize that about 60% of everything they own comes out of a hole.
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I resemble that remark...There will always be somebody that will insist on doing that oil change every 3k
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