Is 10W-30 really obsolete?

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10W30 is obsolete for winter performance, 5W30 is easier to start in the cold, but 10W30 is a good, middle ground oil.

it is not too viscous, or too watery for older engines, it is cheap to find on sale, it protects adequately throughout the on-off cycle. I used 10W30 in my 1992 sable that took 5W30, in the manual it had 5W30 as reccomended, but 10W30 was okayed for an alternative to it, as long as the tempratures did not dip much below 0F. In NJ that is true 95% of the time in winter.

my grandfather ran 10W30 in both of our 1997 escorts, and in the 2002 focus til walmart near us started to carry 5W20 for the focus, we realised our mistake on the escort when i read the manual one day and found out that it was a 5W30 car, 1997-2004 or so in winter it ran 10W30 no problem.

bottom line.

If your car calls for a 5W30 and all you have is 10W30 around, use it. you will not kill the engine at all, only time it will come around to bite you in the bottom is in winter, if it dips below 0F. 5W30 was developed to be a better all season oil, as such i say use that instead in anything that is supposed to run on 10W30, i ran the sable on 10W30 due to it being a 230,000 mi 3.8L 1980s ford copy of a 60s GM V6. I was not too much in the know for oil, i knew fram filters with the cardboard were not the best, so i did use motorcraft. Now i know that 10W and 5w 30 Are equally good.
 
10-30 is still a fine oil, especailly for use in the southern U.S. In a climate where Christmas day can have a high of 85 degrees, 10-30 is still a great choice.
 
If there were more decent 10W-30s around, I'd be into them, particularly if they were made from basestocks not requiring VII to get there.
 
After looking at the UOA for that 2000 Pontiac Bonneville, I have renewed faith in 10W-30.

I was absolutely shocked by the low wear numbers for such a long 7500 mile OCI.
 
If you read UOA reports from synthetic 10w30 used in turbocharged gasoline engines, you will find less shear than synthetic 5w30.

That is why I use Gold Edge 10w30 in my car.
 
Never had a problem running 10W-30 in older vehicles during Buffalo winters. In fact, I once had a 1990 Buick LaSabre with the 3800sII that took forever to warm up and I continued to use 10W-30 hoping it heated things up a bit quicker, I think I had to drive 10 miles to get much heat at all. Irregardless, most 10W-30 oils match, or are close to, their brand-mates' 5W-30 in terms of "pour point"...
 
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
If there were more decent 10W-30s around, I'd be into them, particularly if they were made from basestocks not requiring VII to get there.

That's why the 10W-30 grade is obsolete when it comes to synthetic oils. The higher VI base oils used will usually give you a 5W if not a 0W rating. I know of a couple of high 160 VI oils that are marketed as 10W-30s but I wonder if they real are.

For example the 15W-40 is another dino grade. You cannot make a 15W-40 synthetic even from GP III base stocks because it will automatically have at least a 10W rating if not better. Are there 15W-40 syn's on the market? Yes and they're all lying. The SAE grade is as much about marketing as anything else.
 
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
I believe the 4.7L Dodge Hemi V8 calls for 10w-30 right on the fill cap... so that's what we've always put in it without question.

It's one of the few late model cars left today that does if not the only one.
It's odd because it's a dino recommendation (by default) and Chrysler does spec' synthetic oil for some of their other performance models.

You could question it but what's the point. Is a 5W-30 syn' a super lubricant to a 10W-30 dino; of course.
It falls into the same camp as manufacturers that spec' a 5W-20 dino and if you ask if you can run the superior synthetic 0W-20 grade the answer is no. Will it void your warranty if you do anyway? Absolutely not.
 
Caterham,
Do you mean to say that a Grp III oil labeled as a 10W-30 will actually meet the cold specs of a 5W or maybe 0W oil?
If so, Grp III 10W-30s could be a great deal, since you can often find these oils on closeout quite cheaply.
I've bought Grp III 10W-30s because they were quite cheap and would be fine for summer use (check my sig), but could they really be closet 5W-30s?
 
The 3.5l in the Dodge Journey specs 10w30 too. Why is Chrysler still so big on a 10w30?????

Funny thing is too, while at the dealer the other day it appears Chrysler has switched to supporting Pennzoil Ultra as their preferred synthetic. They had some advertising literature with the Mopar name and PU on it.
 
I can only think they are concerned even now about shear and HTHS in some vehicles. My Jeep manual also clearly states 10w30 is preferred but it's a 2004 with a glorified tractor engine, hardly the same thing as their newer stuff with the spec.
 
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
I believe the 4.7L Dodge Hemi V8 calls for 10w-30 right on the fill cap... so that's what we've always put in it without question.
The 4.7 was spec'd for 5w30, the High Output was spec'd 10w30. But since 2009 they have been spec'd for 5w20. ALL bearing clearances are the same, same part numbers for the bearings and oil pump.
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Naw. If you feel the need for not energy conserving oil go for the Higher mileage, or the heavy duty 10w-30. It won't cost more gas like 10w-40 will.
 
Originally Posted By: Cooker
The 3.5l in the Dodge Journey specs 10w30 too. Why is Chrysler still so big on a 10w30?????

Funny thing is too, while at the dealer the other day it appears Chrysler has switched to supporting Pennzoil Ultra as their preferred synthetic. They had some advertising literature with the Mopar name and PU on it.

Because both 10w30 and Pennzoil are awesome.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
If there were more decent 10W-30s around, I'd be into them, particularly if they were made from basestocks not requiring VII to get there.


We moved on from 10w-30s years ago.
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Seriously, though, do you guys have any 10w-30 HDEOs down in your neck of the woods? I certainly wouldn't be averse to running a 10w-30 HDEO in my old truck. Of all things, most 5w-30 HDEOs have been discontinued up here, since nothing calls for such a grade in HDEO anymore.

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Are there 15W-40 syn's on the market? Yes and they're all lying. The SAE grade is as much about marketing as anything else.


You might be onto something there. RP 15w-40's pour point is ridiculously low, into the predominantly PAO area.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
Naw. If you feel the need for not energy conserving oil go for the Higher mileage, or the heavy duty 10w-30. It won't cost more gas like 10w-40 will.


Of course it will...not as much as a 1`0W-40, but still more.
 
For my fleet, modern EC 10w-30's are just about useless since my mileage goes into the toilet when they shear, negating any energy savings. Also consumption nearly doubles. For those uses, I'll be sticking with 10w-40 or 10w-30 HDEO's.

if the fleet changes some, then my needs will change accordingly.
 
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